Schmidt Rubin M1889

[Retired Sarge]

Here's a few quick shots of a numbers matching Schmidt Rubin M1889, that showed up at the house today. Based on the serial number, 28164, it was made in 1892 (Second year of production). The bonus is it has a period correct sling on it still, just need to get a bayonet for this one to complete it.

The P over 12 mark in the one picture symbolizes that the rifle was Privatized in 1912. In other words the soldier retired and was allowed to take the weapon with him. Thus the rifle was Privatized versus still being in Military Service.

Serialized parts are the buttplate, bolt, barrel, receiver, magazine, bolt knob, sight leaf, sight base, stock, handguard,

Need to break her down completely and give her a proper cleaning and oiling, then get some proper pictures of her.

Preserving history one weapon at a time.

 

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[DizzyDigger]

Sarge, what cartridge did they use in that? Nice looking old rifle...stock and metal looks in great shape!

 

[Tesorodeoro]

That looks like a dangerous thing to have around the house. If you need some help getting rid of it, I can help dispose of it along with any assault ammo that came with it.

 

[Retired Sarge]

Sarge, what cartridge did they use in that? Nice looking old rifle...stock and metal looks in great shape!

7.5x53.5 GP90 cartridge. Yeap, doesn't look too shabby for a 133 year old rifle.

 

[Retired Sarge]

That looks like a dangerous thing to have around the house. If you need some help getting rid of it, I can help dispose of it along with any assault ammo that came with it.

You ought to see the rest of her friends.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

You ought to see the rest of her friends.

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I’ve already soiled your collection.

 

[Retired Sarge]

Sarge, what cartridge did they use in that? Nice looking old rifle...stock and metal looks in great shape!

Just means another caliber to maintain around the house, as if I don't have too many already. Including the new one, this is a list of all the different calibers I maintain/have for my weapons.

7.62X38
7.62X54
7.62X25 Tokarev
7.62X39
7.62X51 NATO
7.7X58 Japanese
7mm Mauser
7.5x54 French
8mm Mauser
8mm (8X56R) Mannlicher
303 British
5.56
223
9mm
380
12 Gauge
44 Magnum
44 Special
36 Ball
22 Long Rifle
22 Long
22 Short
30-06
6.5X50 Japanese
577 Snider-Enfield
10.4X38 Swiss
43 Egyptian (11.43X50R)
6.5X52 Carcano
38 SP
32 ACP
308
9mm Makarov
7.5X53.5

 

[DizzyDigger]

That's an impressive collection Sarge!

I did see that there are still special loaders that make cartridges in that size/caliber, but I'd be worried about how much chamber pressure modern powder would make vs. what they had available back in the late 1800's.

 

[Retired Sarge]

That's an impressive collection Sarge!

I did see that there are still special loaders that make cartridges in that size/caliber, but I'd be worried about how much chamber pressure modern powder would make vs. what they had available back in the late 1800's.

A buddy on a gun site has shared his recipe for making anmo for it with me. But the new ammo made specifically for it is safe.

The one problem these rifles had was the bolt lugs. They're not like traditional bolts with the locking lugs in the front, these are in the rear and is a weakness in the design. The Model 1889/11 remedied this.

 

[ncsuwolf]

You ought to see the rest of her friends.

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That picture brings a different meaning to the term “fix bayonets”

 

[ncsuwolf]

Pardon my ignorance, but that’s Swiss…correct? Thought they used a 6.5, or was that a later/mauser situation?

 

[Retired Sarge]

That picture brings a different meaning to the term “fix bayonets”

Only two rilfes are lacking bayonets at this time.

1918 Eddystone US Model 1917 Enfield.

1892 Waffen Fabrik Bern Schmidt-Rubin Model 1889.

The Model 1917 bayonet is on order and set me back $230 00, plus shipping.

I'm trying to decide on the Model 1889. I have an appropriate bayonet (M1891) for it, but it's missing the scabbard. Problem is I've only seen one loose scabbard in the wild since I was given the bayonet in 2011. So I'll probably end up just buying a complete bayonet for it. They run north of $150.00 typically.

 

[ncsuwolf]

Was the 1917 enfield a 303, or 3006?

 

[Retired Sarge]

Pardon my ignorance, but that’s Swiss…correct? Thought they used a 6.5, or was that a later/mauser situation?

Yes it's Swiss, you're probably thinking of the Swedish 6.5X55 cartridge.

The primary Swiss calibers were the

10.4X38 Swiss (Aka Swiss 41)
7.5X53.5 Swiss (GP 90)
7.5X55mm Swiss (GP 11)

The Italians used the 6.5X52 cartridge in the Carcano, and the Japanese used the 6.5X50 in their T38 Arisaka.

 

[ncsuwolf]

Yes it's Swiss, you're probably thinking of the Swedish 6.5X55 cartridge.

The primary Swiss calibers were the

10.4X38 Swiss (Aka Swiss 41)
7.5x5X53.5 Swiss (GP 90)
7.5X55mm Swiss (GP 11)

The Italians used the 6.5X52 cartridge in the Carcano, and the Japanese used the 6.5X50 in their T38 Arisaka.

You are 100% correct. Was thinking Swede, not Swiss

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

.30-06. The .303 Brit was a Model 1914 Enfield.

Hey, I've got one for you. I have a rifle (Dutch 1871/88 Beaumont-Vitali) that shoots the 11 x 52mmR. Needs a cleaning rod.

 

[Retired Sarge]

Was the 1917 enfield a 303, or 3006?

The US Model 1917 was in 30-06, the British version the Pattern 1914 was in 303 British.

 

[Retired Sarge]

.30-06. The .303 Brit was a Model 1914 Enfield.

Hey, I've got one for you. I have a rifle (Dutch 1871/88 Beaumont-Vitali) that shoots the 11 x 52mmR. Needs a cleaning rod.

Ooh nice rifle, been thinking of getting some Dutch rifles as my mom was from Holland. Post up some pictures would love to see it.

I've got a 1879 Waffen Fabrik Bern Vetterli M1869/71 in 10.4X38 Swiss (Aka Swiss 41).

For a reproduction cleaning rod, as the originals are as rare as hens teeth go to the link below.

Dutch Beaumont Rifle parts - Butchs Antique Gun Parts

stores.butchsantiquegunparts.com

 

[Tpmetal]

Do I spy a couple of the short tank crew Mosins in the corner there?

 

[Retired Sarge]

Do I spy a couple of the short tank crew Mosins in the corner there?

Good eye.....

A Russian 1947 Izhevsk M44, a Hungarian 1954 Romanian Cugir Arsenal M44 and a 1955 Chinese Chongquing Arsenal Type 53.