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Bavaria Mike

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I went on a guided tour with our historical society Sunday. We were in search of a site where an old town or large farm once stood from 1150-1364. About 50 people in all. Our most knowledgeable Historian in the area was our guide and he is really interesting. He showed me some maps and pictures of the area where the field was and a picture of well defined squares in the crops. I suspected where he was taking us and he lead us right to a field where I have had permission to detect for about 4 years now. I have only found relics and coins from the 1800s to WWII and a broken 1765 silver coin. The soil here is strange, sandy and very airy. I suspect anything old must be under the plow line. It was a lot of fun and I renewed my permission to detect there from the farmer, gained a few more areas of interest to detect and will be having a meeting with our Historian as he told me he has a long list for me and old maps he will copy. And it is all close to home. Here is the field, the buildings were to the upper right of the deer stand. Behind the deer stand is a row of trees, this is an old cart road.
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I climbed the deer stand and took a few pictures, could not see any markings in the field as it was just plowed and seeded a few weeks ago. This is the cart road, you can see how it curves along the field in the background.
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I did a hunt Saturday with a local MD friend. We hit three new fields and we both found a few interesting relics and 1800s coins. A small knife handle, broken beer token, cross pendant, lead seal, broken thimble and a small knife butt from the handle. The knife butt dates to the 1500-1600s, I have seen them with dates on them but have not found one with a date.
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A Heller copper coin, not sure of the date, looks 1864 but it may be 1764. A button with a nice star on it, mid 1700s to mid 1800s.
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Found this awesome seal matrix Sunday after the historical seminar. Hit a favorite field for just over an hour and also found the broken beer token. This is the second seal matrix from this field and around 25 beer tokens. The seal has a nice vase of flowers and the initials I.M. Probably dates from the 1700-1800s.
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Top of the seal, handle is broken off. American dime for size reference, it is a smaller seal matrix.
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The seal stamped into some clay. HH, Mike
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Wow great find and really interesting. It really links you to a PERSON not just a coin.

SKD
 
Wow...that thing is tiny and awesome!
 
Hi Mike Thanks for sharing and cool finds

tinpan
 
The seal looks 17th century & the I is most likely a J. :thumbsup:
 
Some nice bits there Mike, well done
HH Ray
 
Thanks all! I think the "I" really is an "I" as the Germans used "I" more often in the old days, up until 1875ish. The name Joseph for example was spelled Ioseph until the late 1800s. HH, Mike
 
Great finds Mike.....hows the weather over there :thumbsup:
 
Bavaria Mike said:
Thanks all! I think the "I" really is an "I" as the Germans used "I" more often in the old days, up until 1875ish. The name Joseph for example was spelled Ioseph until the late 1800s. HH, Mike

You have lost me on this one :icon_scratch: If an I was always an I then what happen in 1875ish? You give an example of when a I was a J with Ioseph :icon_scratch:
 
CRUSADER said:
Bavaria Mike said:
Thanks all! I think the "I" really is an "I" as the Germans used "I" more often in the old days, up until 1875ish. The name Joseph for example was spelled Ioseph until the late 1800s. HH, Mike

You have lost me on this one :icon_scratch: If an I was always a I then what happen in 1875ish? You give an example of when a I was a J with Ioseph :icon_scratch:

Sorry for the confusion, in/around 1871-1875 the Germans/Prussians changed their style of writing, alphabet letters and their style were changed or standardized. I can hardly read old German, mostly spelled the same but the letters are really wild, almost like a foriegn language. All the old hand written town Chronicles are written in this old style German, makes it hard for me to research, LOL. HH, Mike


tyre kicker said:
Great finds Mike.....hows the weather over there :thumbsup:

Cool and cloudy with a light rain, it is Fall but many fields are opening. HH, Mike
 
They´ve replanted ours straight away in the Pfalz :icon_scratch:
HH Ray
 
rayredditch said:
They´ve replanted ours straight away in the Pfalz :icon_scratch:
HH Ray
We still have corn on the fields, it is last to be harvested and then the fields usually stand through the winter. I have a field where we think the gallows stood and a watch tower. Learned a lot at that seminar like, where the old borders were located and the importance of swamps in medieval times. HH, Mike
 
Bavaria Mike said:
rayredditch said:
They´ve replanted ours straight away in the Pfalz :icon_scratch:
HH Ray
We still have corn on the fields, it is last to be harvested and then the fields usually stand through the winter. I have a field where we think the gallows stood and a watch tower. Learned a lot at that seminar like, where the old borders were located and the importance of swamps in medieval times. HH, Mike
Lucky guy, you really have a good area, and no problems with LDA´s either. Here got a nice field, just started (With the farmers permission, and along comes the Jäger and tells us to go, as we´ll frighten the wild boar and deer, and they won´t come if they smell humans too much, and he won´t be able to tell if it´s the boar or us that´s been inthe fields. So we had to go.
HH Ray
 
Yeah..a bit of envy here! :D Great story to go along with that history, Mike. I talked to Trent this weekend and he says he sure misses hunting Germany! :icon_pirat:

Love the finds~

Nana :)
 
Nana40 said:
Yeah..a bit of envy here! :D Great story to go along with that history, Mike. I talked to Trent this weekend and he says he sure misses hunting Germany! :icon_pirat:

Love the finds~

Nana :)
Hope Trent manages to get back here soon, even if he has to kiss some Generals butt to do it. LOL
 
CRUSADER said:
Bavaria Mike said:
Thanks all! I think the "I" really is an "I" as the Germans used "I" more often in the old days, up until 1875ish. The name Joseph for example was spelled Ioseph until the late 1800s. HH, Mike

You have lost me on this one :icon_scratch: If an I was always an I then what happen in 1875ish? You give an example of when a I was a J with Ioseph :icon_scratch:

I think he means what you said--that an I was an I in print, yet sounded like a "J." :D


Great finds, Fantastic photos, and a wonderful post. Thank you. :)


-Buckles
 
Cool finds Mike, good luck with future hunts there.
 

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