Season 12

Nobody knows D.D. because nobody has ever seen or found one on Oak Island. But there's folks who swear there is one and based on what is beyond me.

Seems to me that after all these years of looking (meaning just this current crew), that they would have determined something by now.

If I was the investor, I'd fire those Leguna clowns and bring in Parker Schnabel and his crew. Those boys know how to dig a hole. Give 'em a week and everybody will have their answers.
 

Sadly now a days they can't just strip mine the whole island like you could have 60 or more years ago. Can't touch anything out in the ocean, can't hardly dig a hole without the archeologist marking it and recording it all. That is what all those little flags are for.
 

and yes if someone did retrieve it they'd have reason to cover it back up so no one knows anything was dug up.
Best way to keep it a secret is to not let anyone know you did it..
I've never understood this line of reasoning. If I dug up a treasure in a remote place, I would not care in the least if someone came along and found the hole I dug. What would a dug hole convey? Not much, and certainly not who.

I'm also of the opinion that the "boys" never found anything. It would be highly unlikely they would or could keep it a secret from immediate decendents, and someone down the line would spill the cat. Major secrets like that are almost impossible to keep, if for no other reasons than ego and alcohol. There are exceptions though, and one has to be pretty impressed with the guys who took care of Jimmy Hoffa.
 

Sadly now a days they can't just strip mine the whole island like you could have 60 or more years ago. Can't touch anything out in the ocean, can't hardly dig a hole without the archeologist marking it and recording it all. That is what all those little flags are for.
Dunfield did the entire money pit area and smith’s cove that way.

The archeologist on the show doesn’t seem interested anymore. He used to go and take a very close inspection of the finds before allowing them to proceed. Now he just waves his hand and says go for it.
 

Everybody says Dunfied dug this massive hole. Yes it was wide at points and it was deep at points, but it was not completly 100' wide and 100' deep. Might have been 100' wide and in a few spots maybe 80'-90' deep. Look at any of the old pics of it. Using that type of digger only certain areas were deep. Dan Blankenship is also in those pics. 40' down or so.
 

I've never understood this line of reasoning. If I dug up a treasure in a remote place, I would not care in the least if someone came along and found the hole I dug. What would a dug hole convey? Not much, and certainly not who.

I'm also of the opinion that the "boys" never found anything. It would be highly unlikely they would or could keep it a secret from immediate decendents, and someone down the line would spill the cat. Major secrets like that are almost impossible to keep, if for no other reasons than ego and alcohol. There are exceptions though, and one has to be pretty impressed with the guys who took care of Jimmy Hoffa.
It's no differnt then if I won the 800 million dollar lottery. I'd rather not everybody know.. sure most will forget real quick your name etc. You worry about the others.
 

Everybody says Dunfied dug this massive hole. Yes it was wide at points and it was deep at points, but it was not completly 100' wide and 100' deep. Might have been 100' wide and in a few spots maybe 80'-90' deep. Look at any of the old pics of it. Using that type of digger only certain areas were deep. Dan Blankenship is also in those pics. 40' down or so.
For what earthly reason did they even dig 80'-90' deep back then..? Or even 40'..? Why were they looking that deep...?
 

It's no differnt then if I won the 800 million dollar lottery. I'd rather not everybody know.. sure most will forget real quick your name etc. You worry about the others.
That's all well & good, but if you were walking in a national forest and ran across a hole in the ground, what would that hole mean to you? Would it tell you that someone found a buried treasure? Would it tell you who dug the hole?
 

Curse of Oak Island Season 12, Episode 23 Recap

More rinse and repeat. They could have just reran a previous season and one one could tell the difference.

The laginas are however reinforcing the fact that no fabulous treasure ever existed on the island.

They (like the many grifters before them) continue their attempt to perpetuate the long running scam.
 

That's all well & good, but if you were walking in a national forest and ran across a hole in the ground, what would that hole mean to you? Would it tell you that someone found a buried treasure? Would it tell you who dug the hole?
YES, my first thought would be someone dug up something of value or why do it. Which is why someone might want to cover it back up so no one knows!!! Guess I'm the only one to understand that!! No, of course it doesn't tell me who dug the hole.
Lets just say for the sake of argument that the Templers who were being killed off and or imprisoned ( at this point I don't even remember by whom ) but if some of the Templers where able to take their religious and gold valuables and leave knowing they might be followed they had reason to bury it and plan for their groups descendants to retrieve it at some point, and your people are known for their cylinder like builds at 9 levels deep it's a no brainer as to why the hole is the way it is/was... Yes, it is a lot of maybe this or maybe that but seems easy to follow as to the possibility... Is all I'm saying. Ya'll rule it out since it is not written anywhere, yet don't believe anything that is written about this whole story, except for the few things that are written against the story. These are believed whole heartily, yet they'd have reason to lie as well, to either cover for their failures, or to cover for their findings of treasure and not want anyone to know... It's all possible on both sides of this...
 

YES, my first thought would be someone dug up something of value or why do it. Which is why someone might want to cover it back up so no one knows!!! Guess I'm the only one to understand that!!
Understand what...? What are we missing..? If you came across a dug hole and YOU believed something of value was dug up what does it change to see an open hole..? Hell they could even post a sign on top saying "a treasure was dug up" and it would be the same thing. It tells you NOTHING.
 

Your the one who asked if I came across a deep dug hole in the forest what would it mean to me.. It would tell me that most likely someone dug up something. Plain and simple, or why dig that hole.. Granted I have NO IDEA what, by who etc etc. and yes it is possible that nothing was there. Maybe someone had a map and that was where the "X" was on it!!!
What would a deep dug hole in the forest mean to you? NOT A SINK HOLE, but hand dug using picks or shovels etc...
 

A story, in song, about a great treasure...there are lessons to be learned here.

 

What would a deep dug hole in the forest mean to you? NOT A SINK HOLE, but hand dug using picks or shovels etc...
I would be curious but never would I jump to a treasure must have been dug up. I'd have absolutely no reason to believe or think that. None at all. What would it mean to me...? I truly don't know unless I knew the surroundings and history of an area.

But I can tell you this... If I dug up something of value filling in the hole WOULD NOT BE A THING I'D DO.
 

I think most everyone would atleast have the thought cross their minds. Granted they might then start looking for other reasons for it to have been dug ( bear trap etc ) but the thought of treasure would come up at some point if only briefly..

Hopefully when your out detecting you don't find much or you'd be leaving potholes all over the place... LOL
 

Hopefully when your out detecting you don't find much or you'd be leaving potholes all over the place... LOL
I have dug hundreds of holes out in these vast woods and have NEVER filled in a single one. And I never will.
 

So much for the detectionist code of conduct.

A "detectionist code of conduct," often referred to as a code of ethics, emphasizes responsible and ethical behavior when using metal detectors, particularly in the context of treasure hunting and historical site exploration. The core principles include respecting private property, obtaining permission, leaving no trace, and observing all laws and regulations.

Key aspects of a detectionist code of conduct include:
  • Respect for Property:
    Metal detectorists should never trespass on private property and should always obtain written permission from landowners before detecting on their land.

  • Leaving No Trace:
    It's crucial to fill in all holes dug, leave the area as you found it, and avoid damaging vegetation or wildlife.

  • Environmental Responsibility:
    Metal detectorists should avoid contaminating water sources and respect natural features.
 

So much for the detectionist code of conduct.
That's 100% correct living here. You don't "dig" holes here. You slowly pickax, remove loose soil and repeat. Once a 1"- 7" or so hole is dug you pull out the horseshoe, bullet, fork, knife and old tools and LEAVE THE HOLE. 100's of acres of dense woods and nobody living in area remotely close. When you dig a hole here in Middle Tennessee you take a pic of it and stay proud of it....!
 

Just as with the Brady Bunch’s, “Marsha, Marsha, Marsha”, here it is, “templar; templar, templar”.
 

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Of course it is. We've got (at least) Truro finding multiple species of wood and OITC finding cement, wood, iron filings, etc. at or above the depths where Bowdoin says he found nothing, all using the same basic technology of enclosed auger drills. Data for and data against. You have picked a favorite and you are running with it, but why?

If I'm following your reasoning correctly -- and maybe I'm not -- there is a thread of deceit running through the Team Yes camp going all the way back in history to the initial dig in the Money Pit spot. So they are bad. And the Team No camp is all righteous and good, and incapable of exaggeration or misdirection? Aye? So you are Team No all the way, because of their Light. And when H.L. Bowdoin starts out as Team Yes, but then switches allegiances to Team No, you support him all the way, no questions asked. And no questions answered either, apparently, including my uncomfortable one about why he wanted to continue looking if he supposed there was nothing there.



I don't specifically recall but I'll assume that, like many facets of the search strategy on that show, it was built up to be a Thing and then frustratingly left to drop. I don't see how that's relevant to Bowdoin's "proof".



You seem to have placed great emphasis on this notion of the map which may or may not have started it all, and the idea that because it's no longer spoken of it somehow casts shade on every endeavour of Team Yes. Whereas I don't see how it makes a bit of difference why they chose the spot they did, only what they find once they get there. Some of the news reports from the old days mention the map, some don't. I don't care. Why do you?



Clearly if I'm quoting to you from outside sources then I'm not relying on the show to be the font of all wisdom for this topic. Let's face it, the show presents a simplified version to match the attention span of the average TV viewer.



Okay, so now comes that pesky conspiratorial thinking that seems to infect you Team No guys. Now the plot extends to include third parties like D'Arcy O'Connor, eh? So never mind that O'Connor is largely quoting from Blair and Chappell's own journals and correspondences, and the men themselves in interviews, but he is distorting the account of what they found? So that it's no longer data but just a fabricated story? And when other authors reach the same conclusions from the same sources, I guess they are part of the plot as well? And that's why Bowdoin wins? Weak man, very weak.

I suppose you have curated a list of authors pure enough for me to rely on, then? Well by all means, out with it, don't leave us in suspense. Also, please cite the sources you pull your quotation screencaps from. I've asked for that before without, I believe, a response.

--GT
Yes,, Darcy Occonor was informed about the existence of a 'treasure map' and copies of it being used on Oak Island. Here is a typical exceprt from correspondence to him (this from John Goodman).

Again, as this was not revealed by O'connor, the question to answer is 'why'.
 

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