Season 12

Who's story was it that convinced the Onslow Company to come in and dig? The story was out long before what was first known written story about it. Should let you know there were probably other stories written about it just haven't been found.. The ole saying of everything known is not written and everything written is not known..
That is, again, the whole point. Nothing you think you know about the OI origin is reliable. Yes, something convinced Onslow to dig a hole but we don't have that information.
 

Why would he worry about it if there was a platform at 10 ft?

So some poor animal doesn't fall in and can't get out? More importantly, they didn't want any person to drop ten feet into a hole.
 

That is, again, the whole point. Nothing you think you know about the OI origin is reliable. Yes, something convinced Onslow to dig a hole but we don't have that information.
That's just my point though. There is more info out there it's just not all known to us at this point in time. Onslow had a reason to form their group and dig. A lot of people on here want to throw out there that the first story written was around 1850's or somewhere around there, but a lot of stuff had already happened at that point. Sure whoever wrote that story was probably dealing with a lot of here say since the story was about something that happened 50-60 years prior.. Both sides of this story have people that want to believe certain parts of certain stories and then not believe others.
 

It's true that the first recorded history was around 1850, and it's likely that what was recorded by then is unreliable. There are certainly numerous versions of the story, and they can't all be true. It is also true that there was activity before 1850, Onslow if nothing else. Those activities are sketchy at best, but something very likely happened. The 'why' is a Big Question, and based on everything that has happened since then the most probable reason is that people from the very beginning have misinterpreted what has been found. They saw what they wanted to see -- buried treasure -- instead of what was really there -- a sinkhole. People to this day continue this fallacy.
 

So some poor animal doesn't fall in and can't get out? More importantly, they didn't want any person to drop ten feet into a hole.
Seems like a lot of unnecessary work -10 platforms worth with all the dirt between them.
Why not just one at ten feet, and dirt on top?
 

You can slant it any way you want, but someone filling in a hole has no connection to someone finding buried treasure. Doesn't make sense at all. "Wow, I found this buried treasure, but I'd better fill in the hole before I leave!" Not gonna happen! You'd get the heck out of there ASAP because you'd be afraid the person who buried it might show up.
 

Guess we'll never know the truth. I do know the Laginas will never find any treasure.
 

If it was the Templers or Malta or anyone like that, that was some what on the run and taking their religious artifacts to hide and try to blend in with the locals. You might have reason to cover up the hole once you retrieve your goods out of it as to not bring any attention to it...
 

Any chance they are on the wrong island ??
The wrong island for what? What appears to have inspired the shifting of stories to OI is the imagination of Freemasons (Archibalds) who had an older colonial story to exploit. Making it play out on your relatives' associate's land (Vaughn's wife was related to the main searchers) is much more practical for the relatives to secure a gain. Add to that the origin stories got popularized by Vaughn only after John Smith had died. Even when Smith was living, Vaughn had tried to fake ownership of lot 18 to sell at least one lease to an unsuspecting gullible fool. There's a wonderfully geometric canvass to exploit on OI that comes from Morris' 1762 plan and survey. If you looked on the ground and were not ware of it you might trick yourself into seeing ghosts.

As a candidate earlier story, Desbrisay gives us the Hobson's Nose retrieval account. That seems to be the start of it.
 

The wrong island for what?
Exactly.... "WHAT"...? I heard a rich old Indian Chief buried a huge treasure in my front yard. Maybe I should go look for "that or a what".
 

If it was the Templers or Malta or anyone like that, that was some what on the run and taking their religious artifacts to hide and try to blend in with the locals. You might have reason to cover up the hole once you retrieve your goods out of it as to not bring any attention to it...
The Knights of Malta were independent 17h century privateers operating in Europe in their last real incarnation. Where these original authentic individuals had made their living in the protection and housing of pilgrims on the pilgrim trail to Jerusalem, the later name bearers aren't because the Reformation has happened and put and end to the medieval travel schemes. By the 1600s there was nothing left of that. Whoever was left as a card carrying member was at the employ of European Kingdoms (mainly France) and would not have even an ideological remnant link to anything in the distant past. He is Knight of Malta in name only. He roleplays a different role under an old flag which he may or may not have recollections of. Do any of them have a link to religious relics of Templar suggestion? We do not even know the Templars did. If you allege to be in possession of an object mentioned in a story that was in the lineage of possession of Kings who we do not even know existed (King Solomon, i.e.) then what is your claim to truth?

The Templars were notoriously known to have faked religious relics and flooded Europe with them. Kingdoms gleefully went along. None tried to discredit it. Fortunes were made with the ensuing pilgrimages everywhere. Security was paid for. No self respecting major Cathedral could go without a claim to a holy relic. Money poured into Rome. Does this inspire confidence?

Today you still have degrees of Freemasonry that use the historical realities as signs and symbols for any new role players. If you are a modern Knight of Malta role player you harbor and take care of your fellow "pilgrim" in his Masonic journey.

There's enough borrowing of stories to be of use to the COOI writers. They can blend that in very well with what previous Masonic individuals were saying in NS in the 1840s when they were telling you with details they are onto Enoch's shaft and vault.
 

They saw what they wanted to see -- buried treasure -- instead of what was really there -- a sinkhole.

One of the archived Blockhouse Blog entries [here] has some interesting things to say about that. Doug Crowell interviews engineer John Wonnacott, who says:

"If there was a natural cavity formed in the bedrock, possibly from salt water eroding the anhydrite bedrock, that could cause the till above the cavity to slump, thus weakening and loosening the till. However if that happened, the shape of the slumped till would be an inverted cone, and the zone of loose till would be quite wide at the ground surface (something like 60 feet in diameter or more). No one has ever seen a wide slumped area near the Money Pit – the original reports always said the depression in the earth was 12 or 13 feet across."

So it seems to be this guy's opinion that the Money Pit was not a sinkhole. Just something to consider when weighing the possibilities.

--GT
 

The Knights of Malta were independent 17h century privateers operating in Europe in their last real incarnation. Where these original authentic individuals had made their living in the protection and housing of pilgrims on the pilgrim trail to Jerusalem, the later name bearers aren't because the Reformation has happened and put and end to the medieval travel schemes. By the 1600s there was nothing left of that. Whoever was left as a card carrying member was at the employ of European Kingdoms (mainly France) and would not have even an ideological remnant link to anything in the distant past. He is Knight of Malta in name only. He roleplays a different role under an old flag which he may or may not have recollections of. Do any of them have a link to religious relics of Templar suggestion? We do not even know the Templars did. If you allege to be in possession of an object mentioned in a story that was in the lineage of possession of Kings who we do not even know existed (King Solomon, i.e.) then what is your claim to truth?

The Templars were notoriously known to have faked religious relics and flooded Europe with them. Kingdoms gleefully went along. None tried to discredit it. Fortunes were made with the ensuing pilgrimages everywhere. Security was paid for. No self respecting major Cathedral could go without a claim to a holy relic. Money poured into Rome. Does this inspire confidence?

Today you still have degrees of Freemasonry that use the historical realities as signs and symbols for any new role players. If you are a modern Knight of Malta role player you harbor and take care of your fellow "pilgrim" in his Masonic journey.

There's enough borrowing of stories to be of use to the COOI writers. They can blend that in very well with what previous Masonic individuals were saying in NS in the 1840s when they were telling you with details they are onto Enoch's shaft and vault.
Guess we'll never know the truth. I do know the Laginas will never find any treasure.

One of the archived Blockhouse Blog entries [here] has some interesting things to say about that. Doug Crowell interviews engineer John Wonnacott, who says:

"If there was a natural cavity formed in the bedrock, possibly from salt water eroding the anhydrite bedrock, that could cause the till above the cavity to slump, thus weakening and loosening the till. However if that happened, the shape of the slumped till would be an inverted cone, and the zone of loose till would be quite wide at the ground surface (something like 60 feet in diameter or more). No one has ever seen a wide slumped area near the Money Pit – the original reports always said the depression in the earth was 12 or 13 feet across.".

So it seems to be this guy's opinion that the Money Pit was not a sinkhole. Just something to consider when weighing the possibilities.

--GT
I, for one, have never liked the suggestion it was a sink hole. That's a rationalist's attempt at explaining what he does not know was ever there. A sink hole does not explain a depression that was not there in the case it's a fabrication.

Three kids never discovered this alleged thing in 1795. Another local story of a depression under a tree with a block hanging from it belongs to another local treasure account. Spaced out levels of a certain number belong to yet another story from elsewhere. Multiple stories converge at OI. The ultimate insult is that even the stories they borrow from are not given as purely factual events.

What I would expect today if you called in some "experts" and fed them details of the OI origin story is for them to placate you and take your money. It's not hard to find people who think it's great to show off their trade.

Absolutely nothing we know creates fantastic money pits.
 

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