Season 12

[3cylbill]

Franklin: You are now back with yet another fictional story. Does this story supersede all of your others?

Previously you had fictional king arthur's brother bringing treasure to oak island.

Then you had the templars bringing treasure to oak island to use the space/time portal in the money pit to take the treasure to Mars.

you know it ALLS......... must have rooms full of gold because you know EVERYTHING

 

[SSR]

Franklin: You are now back with yet another fictional story. Does this story supersede all of your others?

Previously you had fictional king arthur's brother bringing treasure to oak island.

Then you had the templars bringing treasure to oak island to use the space/time portal in the money pit to take the treasure to Mars.

There did not exist cargo ships to do reliable transatlantic voyages in 1307. Where would have gotten one? Whatever you would have loaded in 1307 would not have had the hull strength to tackle the open sea. The start of the age of exploration happened on caravels which were the novel technology developed in the period 1400-1600. Medieval shipping was mainly coastal. Viking voyages had been coastal. What still needed to be developed for open sea voyages were non visual navigation techniques and the very real requirement of provisioning for long voyages. Getting stuck in the mud is so far down on the hierarchy of obstacles that it surprises me someone would attempt that idea for a hiccup in an attempt.

 

[GravelTeeth]

Sinkholes come in a wide variety of sizes. Ferinstance, how large was the Cave-In sinkhole of 1878?

Yeah, true, sinkholes can be big or little when you consider the whole world of examples, but the local underlying geology plays a role, and Wonnacott must have had a reason for saying that the inverted cone shape was an expected feature, right? His clear message is that, in the circumstances found on Oak Island, the surface hole would be big. His point about the glacial till not supporting natural caves or voids, and therefore relying on the anhydrite bedrock far below surface to be the catalyst for any sinkhole should be given some credence. These circumstances could change as you move around the area, even as close as the other drumlin which makes up the western portion of the island.

The hole discovered by Sophia Sellers and known as the "Cave-In Pit" was approximately eight feet wide and nearly perfectly circular. The ground gave way deep enough that she and her husband Henry had to enlist help to get the ox which had fallen in back out again. They then filled it with "boulders", and when the eighteen feet of boulder fill was removed by Oak Island Treasure Company in 1894, they described finding "soft" earth that had been previously disturbed and was very easy to dig out, contrasted with tightly packed clay walls. They got down to 52 feet this way and augered another sixteen feet below that without encountering obstacle or undisturbed ground. [The Curse of Oak Island by Randall Sullivan, chapter 7]

My take-away from this description is that Cave-In Pit was also not a natural subsidence. Unlike the Money Pit, the record-keeping for this phenomenon was contemporary and detailed.

--GT

 

[FreeBirdTim]

Couldn't resist, had to watch the last 15 minutes of the last episode of the season. More drivel and made up stories. Nothing significant found for the 300th time.

 

[SSR]

Couldn't resist, had to watch the last 15 minutes of the last episode of the season. More drivel and made up stories. Nothing significant found for the 300th time.

Just like there must always be breaking news in the news/media model, there must always be another theory of OI. Spectacle requires it must refresh itself. No one would consume the same boring offering for very long. When Rick says: "there are so many questions needing answers" or "this is one puzzle piece in a much larger puzzle" or "we are slowly unravelling the mystery" those statements are meant to condition the viewer into thinking OI isn't in 100% stagnation mode and not evolving as a story. The show lives on TV where people go looking for spectacle willfully. "Reality TV" tells you that a hyperreality is attempting to be marketed as a reality using a medium where information travels one way with a capitalist motivation behind it. I have waited a long time for the first episode that would undermine any of the overstated premises in the OI stories.

 

[TruthbeTold]

Curse of Oak Island Season 12, Episode 25 Recap

The season ended just as expected with the team finding NOTHING. During the meaningless "war room" meeting at the end we see Rick Lagina cry (his acting is hilarious).

Their "pump up" system worked as expected and no treasure was found (just like previous seasons).

The laginas proposed this for next season:

Have to say thanks to the laginas for proving that no treasure ever existed on the island (and as we've seen here, no one has ever been able to provide any factual or historical evidence as to what treasure they fantasize about is on (or has been on) the island).

Even with the laginas buying, hiding, and removing historical facts from websites that dispute their claims of treasure on the island, they failed to convince anyone that treasure was ever on the island.

If there is anyone who still believes that oak island has/had a treasure, please contact me as I have land with a swamp in Florida that contains treasures from the ancient world and can be purchased for the right amount of money.

If for some reason the history channel decides to move forward with a 13th season of the oak island nonsense, rest assured I'll continue to post the factual episode recaps.

 

[GravelTeeth]

Even with the laginas buying, hiding, and removing historical facts from websites that dispute their claims of treasure

Says the guy who can't be bothered to actually demonstrate his allegations, and knows all about editing the past to leave a false impression. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

rest assured I'll continue to post the factual episode recaps.

Oh, I have no doubt you'll continue to shill for the monetized negativity machine. Knock yourself out.

--GT

 

[chalkoutline]

I have always asked myself..."why would someone dig down 90-150 ft to bury a treasure?"
This seems impractical knowing you would have to do it again to retrieve the treasure.

I do believe the the logs every 10 were put in place to reduce the indentation that would form over time as the earth below settled. But that doesn't mean it was too hide treasure...possibly salt mining activity since islands are known to form on salt domes which nova Scotia is known for.

Since the three guys who found the impression in 1795 sought funding to continue the dig in 1804 as the Onslow company, they were convinced there was treasure. But that doesn't mean there was treasure.

So I believe, as with most legends there is some truth to it, but in this case there is no treasure.

 

[3cylbill]

I have always asked myself..."why would someone dig down 90-150 ft to bury a treasure?"
This seems impractical knowing you would have to do it again to retrieve the treasure.

I do believe the the logs every 10 were put in place to reduce the indentation that would form over time as the earth below settled. But that doesn't mean it was too hide treasure...possibly salt mining activity since islands are known to form on salt domes which nova Scotia is known for.

Since the three guys who found the impression in 1795 sought funding to continue the dig in 1804 as the Onslow company, they were convinced there was treasure. But that doesn't mean there was treasure.

So I believe, as with most legends there is some truth to it, but in this case there is no treasure.

who said it was buried that deep ? just because the shaft is 150 deep doesn't mean its buried that deep but NOBODY REALLY KNOWS .......do they

 

[TruthbeTold]

who said it was buried that deep ? just because the shaft is 150 deep doesn't mean its buried that deep but NOBODY REALLY KNOWS .......do they

Please tell us what “it” is.

As there is zero historical evidence of a treasure ever being buried on oak island, I’m curious what “it” is.

 

[3cylbill]

Please tell us what “it” is.

As there is zero historical evidence of a treasure ever being buried on oak island, I’m curious what “

Please tell us what “it” is.

 

[SSR]

I have always asked myself..."why would someone dig down 90-150 ft to bury a treasure?"
This seems impractical knowing you would have to do it again to retrieve the treasure.

I do believe the the logs every 10 were put in place to reduce the indentation that would form over time as the earth below settled. But that doesn't mean it was too hide treasure...possibly salt mining activity since islands are known to form on salt domes which nova Scotia is known for.

Since the three guys who found the impression in 1795 sought funding to continue the dig in 1804 as the Onslow company, they were convinced there was treasure. But that doesn't mean there was treasure.

So I believe, as with most legends there is some truth to it, but in this case there is no treasure.

So a very precise and regular backfilling scheme involving recognizable empiric details found in other stories then?

There was an open air commercial fishing/salting(?) operation at OI in 1753-58 in the pre English colonial period. It was on the mudflat at Smith's Cove. There are well known salt cavern deposits in NS, but OI is not one of them. They were not mined in the 18th century even where they exist.

If a deep hole was ever dug in early colonial times (and they were) we would need to list the reasons why that was ever done to understand what is most likely. I don't even think the list goes far beyond digging a well.

Since we know the oldest stories aren't factual in even their main details we know they have suffered embellishment and alterations from some base reality which we can strive to know from reliable evidence. There is no corroborating evidence for any searches at OI prior to 1830. That includes 2 printed works that do mention other lesser known folk stories from nearby.

OI needed a backstory. It would have never served to allege you were looking for something that wasn't already pre charged with a ton of intrigue. Most of the primitive stories we still peddle that concern our origins on this planet are pure fictions, and they are not helped by labelling them, or including them, in legends.

What is the recognizable legend at OI if not that of Enoch's shaft and vault that first floods and then collapses into the abyss when the 3 searchers approach the vault? Should we conclude the legend is based on real events when we thoroughly understand this was always given as just allegory to make a point about how the most basic questions about life and death are unanswerable? What does it mean when old allegory allegedly reappears as a real details in NS in a alleged factual search? It is life imitating art that is already imbued with mystery. There is a fundamental reason why this story resonates and was kept alive by Freemasons. It is not because there was ever something in a hole in NS that would answer questions that are unanswerable.

What is buried a OI is an unanswerable question that is perfectly well adorned with Enoch's old legend. It is a modern attempt to use reason to account for a fiction, and it must fail. In failing it is meant to push you more strongly in the direction of having faith. Faith alone can move mountains and perforate an island to no end. There is even government money for faith based initiatives, and there is capitalist money for making a spectacle of it. Real need for questions and answers, not so much....

 

[3cylbill]

if i knew but since NOBODY REALLY KNOWS YOU CHOSE TO ASK SUPID QUESTIONS

 

[FreeBirdTim]

The fatal flaw of this treasure story is time. No one in their right mind would spend the time to dig a 100 foot hole to hide their treasure. You dig a hole in the middle of the night about 10 feet down, toss in the chest and cover it up before dawn. Bury it near a tree or large rock, so you can come back and recover it someday. No 100 foot hole, no tunnels that flood the hole and no logs or building of anything complex.

 

[GravelTeeth]

There was an open air commercial fishing/salting(?) operation at OI in 1753-58 in the pre English colonial period. It was on the mudflat at Smith's Cove.

Source(s)? Pretty please?

There is no corroborating evidence for any searches at OI prior to 1830.

What does this mean in practical terms to you? Do you not believe there was an Onslow company nor any of its search results? How then is the documentation for Truro not full of them finding contradictions to that narrative? How did they even know where to start work? I'm not sure what the significance is of the lack of corroborating documentation.

--GT

 

[chalkoutline]

So a very precise and regular backfilling scheme involving recognizable empiric details found in other stories then?

There was an open air commercial fishing/salting(?) operation at OI in 1753-58 in the pre English colonial period. It was on the mudflat at Smith's Cove. There are well known salt cavern deposits in NS, but OI is not one of them. They were not mined in the 18th century even where they exist.

If a deep hole was ever dug in early colonial times (and they were) we would need to list the reasons why that was ever done to understand what is most likely. I don't even think the list goes far beyond digging a well.

Since we know the oldest stories aren't factual in even their main details we know they have suffered embellishment and alterations from some base reality which we can strive to know from reliable evidence. There is no corroborating evidence for any searches at OI prior to 1830. That includes 2 printed works that do mention other lesser known folk stories from nearby.

OI needed a backstory. It would have never served to allege you were looking for something that wasn't already pre charged with a ton of intrigue. Most of the primitive stories we still peddle that concern our origins on this planet are pure fictions, and they are not helped by labelling them, or including them, in legends.

What is the recognizable legend at OI if not that of Enoch's shaft and vault that first floods and then collapses into the abyss when the 3 searchers approach the vault? Should we conclude the legend is based on real events when we thoroughly understand this was always given as just allegory to make a point about how the most basic questions about life and death are unanswerable? What does it mean when old allegory allegedly reappears as a real details in NS in a alleged factual search? It is life imitating art that is already imbued with mystery. There is a fundamental reason why this story resonates and was kept alive by Freemasons. It is not because there was ever something in a hole in NS that would answer questions that are unanswerable.

What is buried a OI is an unanswerable question that is perfectly well adorned with Enoch's old legend. It is a modern attempt to use reason to account for a fiction, and it must fail. In failing it is meant to push you more strongly in the direction of having faith. Faith alone can move mountains and perforate an island to no end. There is even government money for faith based initiatives, and there is capitalist money for making a spectacle of it. Real need for questions and answers, not so much....

I could be wrong about the salt mine so I'll agree the indentation in the ground was from digging a well. In either case there is no treasure.

 

[chalkoutline]

I could be wrong about the salt mine so I'll agree the indentation in the ground was from digging a well. In either case there is no treasure.

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