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[midnightmoon]

No no and no! No historical value at all! Don't do it, get it out of your head right now. Find it, melt it, use fishing weight mold to your size preference then either get a good safe or safe deposit box. Oh yea one more thing, keep your mouth shut! Gl HH mike

Is there a max wt you'd sell at one time?

 

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[MrMikeJackie]

Is there a max wt you'd sell at one time?

It's yours to do whatever you like with.

 

[BosnMate]

If you can know the next card, or who's going to win the game, or what the winning lotto numbers are in advance, then you don't need to find gold bars, you got all you need. Shucks, just pick the winner of the next supper bowl today, along with the points and all that stuff, mortgage the house and make a 1000 to 1 bet at Las Vegas, again today, and you won't need to worry about the historic value of the gold bars.

 

[Frankn]

Is there a max wt you'd sell at one time?

Depends on how much cash the buyer has. Frank...-

 

[H-2 CHARLIE]

This is a place to show and tell .
You need something to show first , we all herd of long tails .

 

[DDancer]

Tom_in_CA,

Actually I do believe in dowsing. Hard to dispel something I've worked with and that has such a long history. Gotta be a truth in there somewhere. As to remote viewing its funny governments have spent a lot of time and money *still do* on the phenomena as well. I try to keep an open mind about such things. *shrugs* I don't ask anyone to accept my belief's and as a caveat to that I do use and uphold scientific method quiet strongly. There are some strange things in this world. When I'm presented with a credible reason for them I'll lay my beliefs at the foot of science but keep my faith in curiosity and the unknown.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

DDancer, how about if I suggested to you, that you smear peanut butter on an old tennis shoe, sprinkle bird seed on it, & throw it up in the air. Whichever way it points to, when it lands on the ground, would be the direction of treasure. You would say I'm nuts, right? But why? Apply everything you're saying about "keeping an open mind" and "there's strange things in this world", etc...

Then all I need to do, is pull out my detector to "pinpoint", turn it on, and ... presto, I bet there's metal there somewhere.

 

[liftloop]

smear peanut butter, wounder what the "soy lektin" will do to the shoe....why are you picking on a shoe.... Tom

 

[liftloop]

I wouldn't eat the bird seed any more...

 

[bigfoot1]

I actually witnessed a caltrans highway worker yesterday using dowsing rods.I thot of this thread.His partner was standing next to him with marking paint....practice?

cheers

 

[bigfoot1]

btw I have no dog in this fight...dont know or care if anything other than my garrett works.


cheers

 

[alex141]

something I read:

"Gold has hovered near historic highs after hitting a record $1,266.50 an ounce in June, but the stolen bar's $550,000 valuation reflects historic value far beyond its melt-down worth."

This was a Mel Fisher 74 oz. gold bar. The historic value is 5 times the melt-down value.. Seems like it would be worth having my lawyers defend my find.

 

[DDancer]

Tom,
I like the idea however there have been studies made on why buttered bread seems to always land butter side down when you drop it. Its puzzled people for centuries.
That may not seem like a fair comparison to your tennis shoe however it has been a historically asked question that bothered someone to investigate it... and no, no real answer has been found but there are a lot of good sounding ideas on the subject.... much like dowsing Take this as a simile for the following arguments to your suggestion.

I don't take your suggestion as nuts. The question is would I do it? Sure. Only if you provide some sort of intelligent reasoning or you can provide some sort of hypothetical and/or historically based evidence that somehow the tennis shoe combined with peanut butter and birdseed would point me to treasure after having been thrown in the air. After that I'd probably want to see your suggestion in action: Preferably by you As I said I strongly support scientific method; however I do keep an open mind to strange unexplained things as the following thoughts suggest. The buttered bread argument

Now remote viewing : No ones ever given me a practical explanation and nor have I ever seen it practiced however the studies have been done and there is historical evidence backing the claims. The results from what evidence I have perused suggest there maybe something to it and its strange. So, yes, I do keep a weather eye on such claims. Does the bread fall butter side up or down?

Now dowsing: I've both seen and demonstrated this technique for locating items. There have been studies on it and it has historical evidence backing it up.
As such I do believe such methods of locating items may work. However this method does not lend itself to repeatability in a controlled environment so I must chalk this one up to being strange too. But its believable. Our best minds just have to crack the reasoning to the observed phenomena yet. Butter side up.

Now a tennis shoe smeared in peanut butter, sprinkled with birdseed and tossed in the air to land pointing in the direction of the seekers desire after which one would strap on a metal detector and go find.... lets say gold bricks buried by a super secrete government project on remote viewing studies.
No studies or demonstrations of such activities have ever been presented to me nor have I ever seen or been presented with historical evidence that such a technique exists. I see no practical reasoning why it should work but it is a fun suggestion. Why? Hehh hehhh..... butter side down. HOWEVER, I shall attempt to put the butter side up in your suggestion....

1: In the phenomena of dowsing there is a method that uses a pendulum to locate items of the seekers desire. Now the pendulum is often made of the material that the seeker is looking for and the pendulum is held by its string over a map, or carried in the field. The seeker uses the reaction of the pendulum to narrow down their search area for that which is desired and then digs for it.

2: I would not throw the tennis shoe covered in peanut butter and sprinkled with birdseed in the air. I would instead take said shoe and hold it by its shoe strings and use it like a pendulum. Hover it over a map and go see what I will see where the pendulum has its strongest reaction. Now considering the materials of said shoe this is what I expect to find

A Jogger who's a health nut and had peanut butter for breakfast and a birdseed granola bar.....
......

Or someone in the park with a peanut butter sandwich feeding the pigeons while wearing tennis shoes....


Now as to strapping on a detector and going in the direction of said fallen shoe.... btw you did not indicate whether your following the toe or the heal and I don't necessarily assume the direction.... Yes you will probably find something and hence your treasure

 

[alex141]

Mr. DDancer: what's with the peanut butter?

Dowsing works and has been used for thousand of years. I was trained and worked with a 3rd generation water dowser in Sonoma. We did paid jobs for wineries and horse ranches.. that found water exactly where we suggested it was.

Remote Viewing is basically the same skill, applied to sketches and descriptor words. Sorry, I have no time or patience for the Mr.Toms in the world. He be a gentleman and respectfully stay off this thread.

I have a graduate degree in exploration Geology. I was a Uranium exploration geologist for some time, worked for the Department of Energy, Anaconda Copper and United Nuclear in New Mexico. My roommate and graduate school went on to be the chief scientist on the Mars Rover Mission.

I read a few of these threads and think.. RV could be a big help to someone that is truly "on to" a real deposit or treasure.. Instead of simply using a random approach, my RV could narrow it down to a very specific area, an area that might be practical enough to actually make a recovery.

There are all sorts of applications for Remote Viewing. Location treasure is just one of them.



I have all sorts of proof. Tangible proof. Going after a lost treasure is new for me but, within the realm of what I have come to be understand is

 

[DDancer]

DDancer, how about if I suggested to you, that you smear peanut butter on an old tennis shoe, sprinkle bird seed on it, & throw it up in the air. Whichever way it points to, when it lands on the ground, would be the direction of treasure. You would say I'm nuts, right? But why? Apply everything you're saying about "keeping an open mind" and "there's strange things in this world", etc...

Then all I need to do, is pull out my detector to "pinpoint", turn it on, and ... presto, I bet there's metal there somewhere.

I'll reply with Tom's quote

Toms a good member and has more than enough right to say what one feels need be said.

I'm only presenting counter arguments for my part. I have no difficulty with what your saying as well.

What one believes and what evidence one brings to the table is all its really about in debate.

 

[alex141]

This sketch was posted by mistake... but now it needs an explanation..

This is a good example of the type of work RV can produce.

I wanted to know who was going to win the US Presidential Election back in Oct 20s 2012. (see date on work)

I asked a fellow viewer to run a set for me. The sets are all blind. He has absolutely no idea what the question is.. Which was, something like... [Next US President/ current primary resident/ most recognizable feature] You can see he sketched the White House. And Obama won.

That one application..

 

[DDancer]

Alex,
Unfortunately I'm going to have to tear your explanation apart. So don't take it to bad. I'm not attacking you, just your argument.

First off : A blind set with no reference to the question involved is a nice idea. However you don't provide the exact question involved. This brings up a query on my
part, not validation of your stance, of whether your looking for other PSI ability or actually concentrating on the idea of Remote Viewing.

Second : The date on the work means little to me nor does the results. I don't see any scientific method in the statement nor do I see any evidence of a controlled experiment, the blind set reference is set aside, because the document involved could have been created quite simply.

Third: You reference Obama winning. The document provided does not mention the winner. The question supposedly used does not address the Resident of the white house and being a Blind Question I again refer to One : If said experiment was about remote viewing, and the question was never presented to the Remote Viewer, then why qualify your statement with the winner of said election?

You claim to have asked a fellow viewer... this infers your a viewer yourself as well as being a self proclaimed dowser. Sorry your statements do not work with me on the point of your claims of the validity of remote viewing. I really did not need to see a "resume" either. So present me with some real evidence, yes?

 

[alex141]

DDancer.. Lets' change the topic back to the original question...

I read.. "Gold has hovered near historic highs after hitting a record $1,266.50 an ounce in June, but the stolen bar's $550,000 valuation reflects historic value far beyond its melt-down worth".

Any thoughts on this statement?

 

[Frankn]

Well, I got to tell you. I am skeptical, but I have an open mind since I have seen things change over the years. Almost anything is possible. We are using a very small portion of our brain and who knows what it is truly capable of. I like to see reasons and explanations for everything but I also see that theories can work even though they are in fact unproven. I saw the show a while back on remote viewing. It showed the Russian experiments that were apparently quite successful with a woman. I also saw the US version where a man found a remote secret government location in the middle of nowhere. It was so secret that it took a lot of checking to even verify the location existed.

There are a lot of things that are hard to explain, and are constantly being unraveled, like gravity and climate change.

I tried to understand dousing. Oh I tried it many times but came up with the answer that I do not have the proper mine set to proform the function. Yes, I have seen many fakers, but there is always the remote possibility that someone can do it.

Now on the long range locators I have seen a theory as to a possible way they could work. There are many frequencies being transmitted almost constantly. These frequencies set off the harmonic frequencies of many elements. In other words they vibrate. It would be conceivably possible for a device to pick up these vibrations. I do not think the small devices, marketed as LRL have that capability, but the gov. has a huge device that can do it.

Just a couple of my thoughts. Frank...-

 

[Tom_in_CA]

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....There are a lot of things that are hard to explain, and are constantly being unraveled, like gravity and climate change....

Ah yes. The old "future science" line. Ie.: maybe science can't explain it *now*, but someday, we'll understand. Just like how scientists once thought the earth was flat, or that heavier-than-air flight was impossible, etc... So too will science some day come along and explain the things we can't now explain scientifically.

Ok, then so too will science some day come along and explain my tennis shoe peanut butter treasure finder! Just throw it around enough likely looking ruins, take a detector to "pinpoint", dig enough holes, and .... presto, you'll find metal. Maybe even a goodie. And someday, science will explain how my treasure finder shoe works!