Signal Lines

[Digum]

I decided to post this as a new topic instead of adding to the one this quote was taken from since there haven't been many new topics lately. I deleted most of my posts on that topic because I felt the topic was too argumentive, and to me that's not what this forum should be about. --- On another topic Beale said "I was able to pickup the signal lines from the Beale Treasure from 17 miles away after I understood how to seperate the signals and distinguish between what I was looking for and other treasure signals." Beale if you're out there would you mind explaining how you were able to do that? I'd like to here from other serious dowsers on this subject too. Being new to treasure dowsing, I have some problems with getting sidetracked, not only to targets that I'm not looking for, but also with NSEW lines. Thanks, Digum

 

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[aarthrj3811]

Hey Digum….
When you find a N-S-E or W signal line you have to first determine which direction the target is. I do this by dropping one rod to my side. The remaining rod will point the direction. When you are following the signal line the rods may cross. This may be another target so you will again have to make a determination. If you turn 90 degrees 3 times and the rods stay closed you are at the target. To make sure I am right I go another ten feet and drop one rod to my side and see if it points to the same target.
To eliminate all the other signals in the area I mostly use baited rods. As far as the distance to the target. I think that the size of the object will determine how far you can get a signal from it. I was told that sometimes you can only pick up the “hot” spot of the signal. This seems to be right when it comes to coins and gold veins. Practice baiting rods and dropping one rod to see if it works for you.
When in the field I like to work off a North-South line. I like to walk 1 mile marking all signals and checking the direction on each of them. At the end of 1 mile I can only turn east or west. I know which direction I have to go. If I have to walk both directions that’s what I do. If I walk the 2 miles on the east west line and get no readings I know there is not anything in those 4 sq miles. Since that’s all the walking I want to do in one day I go home and put the GPS readings I have taken of the signals I found on a map and decide what my next move will be. If I found no signals I know for sure that I don’t have no reason to look at it again. …..Art

 

[Mike(Mont)]

Seventeen miles you are talking about a mountainside vein. I heard someone say they could pick up a huge target from inside an airplane from a great distance. Many small targets are only detectable from a few hundred yards or less, maybe only fifty yards on a small piece of jewlery. Some say a hundred yards on an ounce coin. Most targets I have found (small stuff) are less than a hundred yards.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Mike …I can detect a flake if gold for 46 paces. A ¼ oz nugget for close to ¼ mile and a ½ nugget for just over a 1/2 mile. I have picked up gold veins at 8 miles if they are under 20 feet deep. I think it all depends on how sensitive your body is and the methods that you are using….I also can detect an old silver dime at 75 paces…..Good to hear from you Dell….Art

 

[Digum]

When dowsing do you always carry a compass with you? I haven't been doing that but I'm going to, and I need a GPS. I've been working small areas (1 to a few hundred acres) walking any direction I'm able. It's difficult to work strickly NS and EW sometimes. It depends on where I'm searching. So much of the terrain here is brushy, very high grass this year, briars, alot of trees, hills, lots of creeks and deep washouts. I have to move side to side way more than I'd like. Add to that the over population of mocassins this year. I may have to go a hundred yards or more to just get across water then come back to my signal line. There are so many stories here about the Spanish and their gold that it's worth searching, but it's not usually easy.

 

[Mike(Mont)]

I don't want to sound like a skeptic, but anyone in gold country can point a rod and walk that direction until the rod swings and dig up a flake of gold. That proves nothing. You don't have to point the rod, just walk in any direction. Sooner or later you will get close enough to some gold that the rod will swing. I'm not alone in what I say. Almost every single dowsing/LRL manufacturer says the same thing. Less than a hundred yards on small targets.

Close you eyes, spin around and shoot your nugget out somewhere with a slingshot. If it's more than a hundred yards you will have a tough time finding it by pointing the rod from where you stand. (Don't try this at home, folks.)

 

[ClonedSIM]

Hey Mike …I can detect a flake if gold for 46 paces. A ¼ oz nugget for close to ¼ mile and a ½ nugget for just over a 1/2 mile. I have picked up gold veins at 8 miles if they are under 20 feet deep. I think it all depends on how sensitive your body is and the methods that you are using….I also can detect an old silver dime at 75 paces…..Good to hear from you Dell….Art

I don't want to sound like a skeptic, but anyone in gold country can point a rod and walk that direction until the rod swings and dig up a flake of gold. That proves nothing. You don't have to point the rod, just walk in any direction. Sooner or later you will get close enough to some gold that the rod will swing. I'm not alone in what I say. Almost every single dowsing/LRL manufacturer says the same thing. Less than a hundred yards on small targets.

Close you eyes, spin around and shoot your nugget out somewhere with a slingshot. If it's more than a hundred yards you will have a tough time finding it by pointing the rod from where you stand. (Don't try this at home, folks.)

HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!

Another dowser is telling you what I've been telling you for years, Art!!

Go ahead, argue with him and tell him how wrong he is and how close-minded he is and how he just doesn't understand dowsing........

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Digum….I carry a compass around my neck all the time. Since the north pole has been moving East so fast I can no longer rely on my instincts. If your off 25 degrees or so the rod will still turn. You then have to adjust your feet until the rods are locked. …Art

 

[Mike(Mont)]

Digum, the reactions to a target are strongest from each of the main compass points, N,S,E,W. In other words if you are due South (180 degrees) from a target you get a stronger response than if you are say 200 degrees. This is the whole principle behind the Box-In method. To repeat, the Box-in method goes like this. Walk in a line (head North is best) and when the rod responds you turn ninety degrees and walk in that direction until the rod responds again. Now you should be close to the target unless you turned the wrong direction. This is exactly what Art is talking about whether he admits it or not. One of the reasons the responses are strongest is because this is where the magnetic images are. Get a copy of the Abbe Mermet book "Principles & Practice Of Radiesthesia" if you don't understand this.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Mike…I do not use the Box-in or Star method . That is for the one rod users. It is simple to follow a n-s or e-w line until the rods close. With the rods closed you drop one rod to you side and the remaining rod will either stay or turn and be pointing to the target. That is the direction to go. In my experiments if I am using one rod it will turn when I get to the line. It will always turn inward. If I back up slowly the one rod will swing to the target.
When using two rods and they cross you just check the direction and turn 90 degrees. You walk an S pattern until you get to the target. Put a target on the ground and find the signal some thirty or so feet from it. Lay a rope or string from this position to the target. Now walk your S pattern. With a little practice you will know when you have reached the target.
Here is an example of the star pattern….Art

 

[teleprospector]

Hi Digum,
Good questions.
If you don't want arguments you can post your comments in the pro dowsing section.
I would like to make a suggestion for you so you can experience the "source of attraction" from a target.
Go and fill up a small baby food jar with silver dimes and have someone bury it about 8 inches deep in your yard.
Make sure to have the jar buried so that you can walk around it.
Have the person mark the cardinal compass directions in your yard with wood stakes as best as possible from the location of the jar. You need to be able to see these stakes. I have mine on my practice site at the property lines.
Hold your L-rod , pair of angle rods or pendulum and concentrate on the jar of coins in your mind. (picture it)
Practice sweeping slowing with your instrument from left to right and then back and watch for the instrument to give you an indication to the direction of the target.
Walk that line and when you are over or near the jar the instrument will give you another indication.
Get out your detector and see if you can metal detect it.
Step back aways from your pinpointed spot and slowly circle the jar 360 deg. clockwise then circle it counterclockwise and watch what the instrument does.
Keep notes of what is going on.
After practicing this for awhile and becoming familiar with what your instrument is telling you, then you will know what to look for from your instruments while out on a real treasure site.
Hope this helps.
Jon

 

[Mike(Mont)]

One thing I might add to Tele's post, if you have common silver, nothing valuable, you can fill the jar of silver with salt water for a stronger signal. Don't use this on anything valuable as it will corrode. You can buy common silver coins at a coin shop.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Hi Digum,
Good questions.
If you don't want arguments you can post your comments in the pro dowsing section.
I would like to make a suggestion for you so you can experience the "source of attraction" from a target.
Go and fill up a small baby food jar with silver dimes and have someone bury it about 8 inches deep in your yard.
Make sure to have the jar buried so that you can walk around it.
Have the person mark the cardinal compass directions in your yard with wood stakes as best as possible from the location of the jar. You need to be able to see these stakes. I have mine on my practice site at the property lines.
Hold your L-rod , pair of angle rods or pendulum and concentrate on the jar of coins in your mind. (picture it)
Practice sweeping slowing with your instrument from left to right and then back and watch for the instrument to give you an indication to the direction of the target.
Walk that line and when you are over or near the jar the instrument will give you another indication.
Get out your detector and see if you can metal detect it.
Step back aways from your pinpointed spot and slowly circle the jar 360 deg. and watch what the instrument does.
Keep notes of what is going on.
After practicing this for awhile and becoming familiar with what your instrument is telling you, then you will know what to look for from your instruments while out on a real treasure site.
Hope this helps.
Jon

Soooooo.....basically you're telling him to have someone bury some coins and then to locate them with a metal detector??

Man, you dowser guys think of everything!!

 

[Mike(Mont)]

I'd just like to say you can detect a target from any direction. You don't have to walk in a north/south or east/west line to perform the Box-in method. When you get ninety degrees from the target the rod will swing no matter which direction you are from the target, it's just stronger along the lines of the magnetic images.

The hard part of learning is to get it out of your mind. I think many people are expecting some reaction they can feel with their five senses in their conscious mind. That's not dowsing. Dowsing works with the subconscious and that means you are not conscious of it. It is just below the threshhold of awareness. It takes lots of practice and a very clear mind before you can feel the psychic electricity. Most dowsers cannot feel it consciously. And even fewer can dowse without a rod or some instrument. I posted a link somewhere on Deviceless dowsing. You don't have to go deviceless to feel it, and the article gives some hints what to be aware of especially in part 2 "Body Response".
http://diviningmind.com/deviceless-dowsing.html

 

[ClonedSIM]

Jeeze, can you guys agree on anything?

"You can only dowse on the cardinal directions. No, you can dowse in any direction...."

"You have to be a great dowser to find gold in a gold field. No, it's easy to find gold in a gold field...."

And to think I believed you hacks could actually tell me how dowsing works....

 

[Mike(Mont)]

I have read that a lot of beginners self-hypnotize themself. Wishful thinking will not work. When you are staring at/fixating on the rods, your attention is not on the search area. You lock yourself up when you do, GSR meters show this. It's okay to watch the rod but keep a soft focus, like when you look off into the distance. Don't try too hard or be too serious because this activates your conscious mind. You can be aware without thinking about it. It's like you are waiting for something to happen (but you still need to project your thought energy of what you are searching for out to the search area). If you catch your mind wandering, then just calmly tell yourself to stop and continue the search. I have found that taking some aspirin can help, or lie down for fifteen minutes with your eyes closed. Rubbing your hands together for 30-60 seconds can help you feel the energy, but it doesn't last long. Don't forget to breathe through your nose. Try to follow your breath. This can help to take your mind off it.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Mike…..I understand what you are saying. My background in Dowsing is just different. I learned to use the rods using man-made signals. When I started learning to dowse I did not want to screw up what I could already do. I found that most of techniques I knew could be applied to dowsing. When I found the strong signals in the cardinal direction (I decided ) to use them. Lots of practice and long hours juggling the two things gave me a whole new method. My rods already responded to man made signals so it was easier to teach my rods to respond to only strong signals in the cardinal direction. I have found that this is a lot easier than using all the mental dowsing techniques…..Art

 

[aarthrj3811]

You got it Dell…..One shoe does not fit all. I put my methods on here in hopes that it will help someone. That is what forums are for. EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION. You are right about the information on this forum. If you look and read it is all on here….Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Jeeze, can you guys agree on anything?

"You can only dowse on the cardinal directions. No, you can dowse in any direction...."

"You have to be a great dowser to find gold in a gold field. No, it's easy to find gold in a gold field...."

And to think I believed you hacks could actually tell me how dowsing works.... Roll Eyes

LINK:http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,20200.0.html

Jeeze, Af, you aren't paying attention. It's been repeated over and over again for years that methodologies used for Dowsing is subjective to each individuals thinking and environment. One size does not fit all. Here you are complaining that you have too many methods to choose from.

If you have an interest in learning to Dowse as you seem to claim You have the option to thoroughly test each dowsers methods, learn for yourself, and select what works best for you.

Complaining and ranting about what Dowsers do successfully, and have tried to help you learn, only demonstrates your lack of interest in learning Dowsing, and your continued intentions to be disruptive and antagonistic with asinine comments about others.

Certainly, you have been on this forum long enough to have learned to Dowse from the information and knowledge that has been provided, if indeed you had any interest in learning to Dowse successfully. If you haven't practiced and learned the best method that works for you by now, you might as well give up on yourself as a lost cause. Your inability to learn is NOT the fault, or responsibility of anyone else posting on this forum, so quit placing blame.

Sharing your own personal experience with what you have learned during your own Dowsing practice sessions would be productive, and given in the spirit of others on this forum to be helpful to others who are interested in learning and sharing their own Dowsing experiences.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell

And as I've pointed out to you several times, apparently only certain people can dowse, and that's it's not a trait that everyone possesses.

Or, maybe anyone can do it with practice.....

You see, I've read all the posts set forth by dowsers and there's no agreement to anything about dowsing.....

 

[ClonedSIM]

And as I've pointed out to you several times, apparently only certain people can dowse, and that's it's not a trait that everyone possesses.

In the thousands of people I have worked with on Dowsing, I have not found that to ever be the case. We all have the inherent ability. It takes interest, open mind, practice , and the desire to learn, just as any thing else. When you say you can't learn to do it, you have denied your own inherent human ability and prevented yourself from learning what others are enjoying. There is no excuse for envy, jealousy, prejudice, or blaming others for your inability to learn.

That's your choice, but heckling does not make you a big man, or demonstrate intelligence. There is no rationale or excuse for your detrimental comments intended to be antagonistic towards those sharing their Dowsing experiences on this forum.

It's rather sad that you use this non-productive format to seek attention to your self when your potential as a human being is so much greater.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell

While I appreciate the rather backhanded compliment here, I must disagree with your assumption that I'm here seeking attention. I could care less who pays attention to me.
What I'm seeking are answers.

Look, I cannot reconcile in my head, logically, how dowsing is supposed to work, and even less so how LRL's are supposed to work. The technology makes no sense, the scientific terms I've seen make no sense, and in some cases don't even exist. I am completely befuddled as to how a group of people in the age we live in today can believe in such nonsense.

Now, if every single dowser here gave the same explanation, then I could see where some of this is coming from. But, as you have seen, each dowser has a different story. This tells me that dowsing is not something that can be defined, which tells me, logically, that dowsing is not a real thing/trait/ability, but simply a mind game one plays with oneself.