Smokey the idiot needs help with point ID

[smokeythecat]

I bet most of you were smart not to go out in 93 degree heat today, hence the self name calling. It was a short trip but the river was WAY down, and I have found some nice stuff when that happens.



And its still too hot to put them in order. here. Nap time may be imminent. The tan point is about 2.5" long. The site has everything from Paleo to contact period on it. Any ideas? Found in northern Maryland.

The dark point has a LOT of flakes taken off the base. No damage, and you can still see some of the original cortex on it. It is smaller at about 1.5" Ideas on the type? Thanks for looking.

 

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[Tdog]

Those look pretty old to me. The thinning strikes on the black one are reminiscent of the way Scottsbluff bases are thinned. Congrats.

 

[Older The Better]

Look old to me too, I’d say worth braving the heat, speaking of dumb things, I just caught myself trying to blow the hair off the point in the second picture

 

[smokeythecat]

LMAO, not hair or fibers. Cortex.

 

[releventchair]

The tan one we (we being amateurs , but had one looked at by someone....) call a similar one an atlatl's dart's point.
Going from weak recollection but seems it was 2-3 thousand years old.(?)

 

[antmike915]

Don't feel bad, I go a few times in heat like that as well (seems like it gets fewer and fewer each year). I went the last weekend and got sunburned on my neck and arms, the blistering kind.

 

[billb]

Smokey. Congratulations on your beautiful recoveries..I also want to check some creeks when the water levels get lower.it will be a learning experience for me and hope I won’t slip on the rocks

 

[smokeythecat]

This is right below a major dam, and if you hear the sirens you better haul yourself out of there.

I went to projectilepoints.net and found something called a Cactus Hill point, one they are working on the typology now. It is classified as a lanceolate type, and the base is straight to slightly concave and thinned with small flake removal on the base by pressure flaking. It is pre-Paleo. The type point has been found in Virginia, about 200 miles away.

 

[newnan man]

Nice & I'll vote Paleo but no clue as to types. You want heat come see us in Florida. Getting seriously warm down here now.

 

[Underwonder]

Excellent! 4 in a day? I still have just ONE on my bucket list!

 

[smokeythecat]

No, it's two this trip out. That's just how the pics loaded here. Last year I got 4 in a day. I'd have to check the date. The place yesterday is just plain "creepy".

 

[uniface]

From its good quality material, size/shape and workmanship, the smaller one is very likely an early woodland pentagonal (memory glitch retrieving proprr not ame; in Ohio, Intrusive Mound I think).

FWIW

 

[Edgychris1]

Very nice old points!!

 

[Tdog]

From its good quality material, size/shape and workmanship, the smaller one is very likely an early woodland pentagonal (memory glitch retrieving proprr not ame; in Ohio, Intrusive Mound I think).

FWIW

Intrusive Mound is corner notched I believe Mr. Bill. Maybe Jacks Reef. Check out next to last example in the first row. Flaking looks very similar to smokey's find.

Jacks Reef Pentagonal Projectile Point

 

[smokeythecat]

The little one is not corner notched. There are "flutes" on both sides of it.

 

[uniface]

Thank You, Td. Yep. Jack's Reef.

 

[uniface]

Jack's Reef exists in "pentagonal" (un-notched) as well as corner-notched forms.

Thanks for the save, Terry.

 

[Edgychris1]

The little one is not corner notched. There are "flutes" on both sides of it.

Still I beginner, I'm realizing that not every paleo peice is classified by the Clovis looking base. Different style bases have been popping up on this forum that have entirely different traits and to understand correctly, paleo.

This whole classification thing has so much too it its unbelievable. Tiny little details that make a world of difference.

Once again, amazing peices. Love that black shiny material.

 

[smokeythecat]

Thanks all. Question. Does the basal flaking on both sides jive with a Jack's Reef?

 

[fyrffytr1]

This site might help you.

https://www.projectilepoints.net/Search/Search.html