Some sorta pointy ruler?

[mojjax]

I'm wondering what this is for ? I found their website , so they are still in business .
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...epMm-TRvjTqWTWZZw&sig2=-DFyLqi8Io4xhhZQRQbjSw

They deal in grain , feed , farming stuff, etc .

 

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[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I think we're making progress here ... but please be reminded that any "screen" hole much larger than a grain of rice just wouldn't make sense. There is no grain seed in the world that I know of that is 3/4" long or wide. But I will go along with the "possible" measurement for some kind of opening.

Thanks.

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[taz42o]

I think we're making progress here ... but please be reminded that any "screen" hole much larger than a grain of rice just wouldn't make sense. There is no grain seed in the world that I know of that is 3/4" long or wide. But I will go along with the "possible" measurement for some kind of opening.

Thanks.

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Not just for grain but for seed for farming could be beans or other large seed.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

P.S. ~

I forgot to mention that ... 22 millimeters = 0.866141 inch

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

One thing for sure its not Metric. 64ths of an inch looks to be correct.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

P.S. ~

I forgot to mention that ... 22 millimeters = 0.866141 inch

0.866 is approx. 8/10ths of an inch which is over 3/4 so it cannot possibly be Metric. The scale has 3/4 (0.750 inch) as 48.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Check this out ...

http://www.purplewave.com/cgi-bin/mnlist.cgi?090826/4015

It's appears obvious to me that we all have a lot to learn about "seed cleaners." Until a couple of hours ago I never even heard of one. And even after researching them, I still don't fully understand how they work or exactly what they are supposed to achieve.

Anyway, check out the site above. It sure gives new meaning to the word "screen." The smaller thumbnail pictures can be enlarged by clicking on them. I think we're close to solving this. We just need to work together. I'm a gardener, but I sure ain't no farmer. Lol

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[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I think I just found something that will solve this riddle. But since everyone was so kind to me, I'm going to share this with you and see who will be the first one to fully make sense of it. Once you open to the link, scroll down to where it says Clipper No. 2B Special Manual. The pages can be enlarged, and on one of them it shows the scale we have been discussing. I suppose I could be selfish and take the credit if it turns out to be what we have been looking for, but since this was a team effort with everyone submitting clues, I will share the honor with everyone. But before we start slapping ourselves on the back and giving high-fives, first you have to look through the manual and see what you can find. But I've got dibs on posting a picture of the measurement scale, which I will do shortly. I just wanted to share my excitement with everyone first.

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Link: http://www.saveseeds.org/tools/clipper.html

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Here's the chart I was referring to from the seed cleaning manual. Now it's up to someone else to read through the manual and explain exactly how mojjax's "gauge" fits into the scheme of things.

Thanks.

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[SODABOTTLEBOB]

The numbers are 64ths. 40/64=5/8 ,48/64=3/4.

Round hole screens are often designated by a single number such as 10. This means the screen is 10/64ths of an inch in diameter.

I would guess its for measuring screens in air screen cleaners for seeds.

taz42o ~

I just wanted to acknowledge your contribution. Your seemingly knowledgeable "guess" is what led me to finding the necessary "proof" to establish that Mojjax's item is a measuring device for determing the size of holes in the various seed cleaning screens. Good job!

But there is still more to the story and full identification here. I will explain later what I mean by this.

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[SODABOTTLEBOB]

One thing for sure its not Metric. 64ths of an inch looks to be correct.

And Big Cy, too. He was right about it not being metric, and I was wrong. Good job!

Note* Even though I have it figured out, there are still a couple of unanswered
questions I will post for discussion tomorrow.

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[Dano Sverige]

Maybe it's a dipstick for oil/fluid measuring?

 

[kenley]

Taz got it! I was racking my poor brain trying to connect 5/8 to 40. I knew it is a bore guage, the markings were not familier. Good Job.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Hopefully by now most of you have had time to read through the manual I posted a link to. But even if you haven't, the picture of the chart should be sufficent enough to support the following. But before getting into that, first I would like to point out that Mojjax's "calibrator" "gauge" (or whatever the exact term for it might be) appears to be of a universal size which covers screen measurements larger than the model of seed cleaner refered to in the manual.

Based on the corresponding numbers on the gauge and those on the chart, I am confident all will agree that they match close enough (if not precisely) to confirm that the two are obviously related. Meaning that Mojjax's gauge was designed for the specific purpose of measuring and determining the various size holes in the screens.

However, even with this said, I am a little confused about the following, and would like to open it for discussion and hear some opinions.

1. The manual indicates there are 145 different screen sizes available. (Pages 14-15).
2. The screens for that particular model seed cleaner measure 24 1/2" x 22 1/4"
3. On page 13 it states the following ... "Always state bore size of bearings, eccentrics,
pulleys, etc; when ordering."

So my question is this ...

Why would there be a need for a calibrator/gauge to determine the hole size if the screen sizes are predetermined and "likely" were already marked as such?

I base this question on the "assumption" that the screens were already marked because the manual indicates as much for ordering purposes.

I would be interested in hearing opinions regarding this. Unless I'm wrong and the screens were not marked according to size. But I honestly believe they were. What do you think?

Thanks.

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[kenley]

I didn't read the manuel, and probably won't. But you state it says to properly I.D. the bore size of pulleys,bearings etc. when ordering parts. O.K. makes sense to me. You may not have a calipers to measure the shaft dia. but your handy dandy freebee bore guage will measure the bore the shaft went through. Keep in mind that this was before e-catalog and bearing supply houses in every city. Poor Bubba had to order a new eccentric for the hopper cover by mail. It had a 5/8 shaft hole. The burnt out bearing ran on a 5/8 shaft with a pulley on each end. He wasn't a trained engineer, but he could make it work if he got the right part.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

kenley ~

Thanks for the reply. Initially I thought the same thing about the "bore size." Except I'm not convinced that those would require the same kind of measurement as those on the gauge. I would think that a standard bore size (or anything along those lines) would be measured in fractions of inches, (I.E. 3/8" etc.) and not some weird number like 22 that only a seed cleaning company would use. If someone went into a local hardware store and said I need a #22 bit, the hardware clerk would think the guy was crazy. Or maybe I'm the crazy one.

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[SODABOTTLEBOB]

P.S. ~

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, I'm going to research "seed screens" and see if I can find a picture of one with the size marked on it. If anyone would like to join in on this search of mine, please do so. I suspect it may not be an easy thing to find, and I could use a little help.

Thanks.

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[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Wow! Check this out! The link below connects to a site that has about 20 short videos showing those seed cleaners in operation. The first one opens a video where part of it shows a guy pulling several screens out of a rack. I couldn't make out any numbers on them, but they do appear to be organized by size. I may never find one with a number on it, but I just have to believe they were marked. I can't imagine a farmer having to sort through a whole stack of them and measure each one just to find the one he was looking for.

"After" you watch this video the other 20 video options will appear at the bottom of the screen. Several of the videos actually show seeds being fed into the cleaners. And one model shows the cleaned seeds being fed into sacks. Totally cool!

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[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I realize this may be a dead topic to some, but because of the nagging question that kept haunting me as to ...

"Why have a screen measuring device when the screens themselves were *marked?"

(*Which has been confirmed by every screen ordering reference I could find).

So I did some additional research and found a whole new set of references indicating that ...

Not only was it sometimes necessary to measure the screens.

But even more important.

It was also necessary to ...

Measure the seeds !!!

In fact, it's starting to look as if Mojjax's device was intended more as a means to measure the seeds themselves than it was to measure a screen. For example: The farmer would take his hand-dandy seed measuring device - determine the precise size - say 22 - and then go to the stack of screens - find the one marked 22 - and then he was in business to start the proper cleaning process.

This still needs additional research for confirmation - but based on my latest findings - I would like to enter a new "guess" as to the true nature of Mojjax's device.

Which is ...



"Pocket size give-away tool for "Measuring Seeds."

End note: No doubt all it would take to conclude things here would be for Mojjax to contact the company and ask them what it is ... which I highly recommend at this juncture.

Thanks.



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[taz42o]

Its not a dead topic to me Bob ,I just dont have much time to research it so I been waiting for you to tell us what it is.
Mojjax always has interesting whats its.
I still think its for checking screen sizes but I'm wrong sometimes.
Scroll down to figure 23 to see the seed gauge.

http://esrp.csustan.edu/publications/reports/lrdp/esrp_2009_npspsynthesis_e.pdf

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Taz ~

Fantastic find!

And please note that my interest in this or any other topic has nothing to do with being right and proving someone else wrong. "What Is It's?" are like crossword puzzles. I just like playing them.

Your gauge certainly adds a new spin on things. It's obviously for measuring seeds. Which places my recent "guess" about Mojjax's item under question. I think I will continue to do a little more research. I'm sure both of us would like to find a picture of the item with a caption stating "exactly" what it is without guessing. After seeing the gauge you found, I have to admit it suggest the item in question may very well be for measuring screens. But I just can't shake the thought as to why the need to measure a screen if they were already marked? During the course of my research I have found references to at least 215 different screens. And most of the ones pictured were stacked flat. I find it hard to believe that a farmer, who even had 50 screens, would have to measure them just to find the one he needed. It seems more likely that he would simply look at the marks and say, "Oh, there's the number 22 I need," and then simply remove it from the stack. (or rack in some cases).

If Mojjax doesn't show up soon, I may contact the company myself. I would have done it already, but I thought I'd hold off for awhile and see what Mojjax had to say. This thing is driving me batty!

"Hey, Mojjax! ... Where are you?"



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[ Taz's seed gauge from web link ]