Hey T,
I think the cross on the rock in the first pic is natural. I can't say for absolutely certain without seeing it in person, but the lines don't quite match up.
On the other hand, the removeable heart is the first absolute proof of something man made there. There are a few things that look very man made, but again, without seeing them in person, it's hard to tell. The "map rock" and another heart I think also have very good possibilities.
Even though TimRino poopoos everything out of hand, and then makes foolish sweeping statements, he does have a valid point! One that is not thought about by many people. When you find what you think may be a monument or carving, the first thing you want to do (after taking pictures of it), is look at the rest of the rocks around it. do the lines from your carving continue into the surrounding rocks? If so, then you may just have a natural formation. Mother nature can play some mean tricks. She can make some natural things look very man made! This all goes back to a st
satment I made a long time ago, "Finding real signs and symbols is half science and half art. If you use too much of either, you will either miss some things, or look foolish by seeing signs in everything."
And Tim, before you ask for evidence to back up my statement, here it is:
Your quote:
I also can't see a group of people hiding treasure and carving a 1000 ton rock into the shape of a turtle.
Can you tell me what this is?
Would you say this is a natural rock formation? Wrong, Mr MENSA! It is a 30 foot diameter Turtle constructed of a pile of rocks. Proof you ask? The following is the trail you would follow by walking in the direction the turtle is looking.
This trail leads to a gold mine that was found by reading some barely discernable clues. I won't picture the mine, as a friend who found it wishes the actual mine site not to be photographed.
And Tim,
I'll tell you one more thing. I have read every post you have made on TNet. With only a couple of exceptions, you only seem to feebly attempt to flaunt some kind superior intellect. What you display is something far less. Almost every post you made is ridiculing somebody about something. Feeling inadequate about something? Feel the need to deride others to get some self esteem? From your statements, your inexperience on the subject of Colonial Spanish Mining and Monumenting techniques shows. You say that "As far as researching the Spanish in the Southwest you would have to look far and wide to find anyone who has spent more time in the field researching the Spanish in the Douglas, Ajo and Tucson area then I have." That statement is laughable. You are basically talking about the bottom 15 miles or so of the state, along the Mexican Border. I know an Archaeologist who has made a career of the Yuma area alone (15 years), and still finds new things all the time. I don't dispute the fact that you may have done a lot of hiking in the area, but I also know of SEVERAL old timer prospectors that have been living in the desert (desert rats) finding placer gold, and old mines for 40 or 50 years. I don't think anybody would have to look THAT far and wide!
Also, if you have so much more experience than anybody else in that area, why haven't you found the Iron Door Mine? Maybe one of the six still undiscovered Tumacacori Mines? Maybe you could show us some pictures of some of the great things you have found in your traveling experiences? Maybe, since you are so knowledgeable, you could show us where the Aztec Temple near Nogales is? There was a mission (now lost) that was built on top of it in the 1680s. Just a thought. Since you are more knowledgeable about this area than anybody else.
Best,
Mike
![:-\](https://www.treasurenet.com/smilies/undecided.gif "Undecided :-\")
then again I only know a little about geology/geography and not hidden spanish treasure. 
