strange pile of rocks

[TLH]

Heres pictures of what I believe is a sea turtle on top of the big turtle head. Sorry for the quality of some of the pictures, but some are crops of pictures taken from half mile away.Now the only reason I can imagine that there would be a turtle on top of a turtle is this, some of the signs on the rock are meant to be seen from the trail and some are meant to be seen from on top of the rock. so I believe that the big turtle head which is easily seen from the trail says to climb up, then the sea turtle shows you where to look when you get up there. The sea turtles tail is interesting cause sometimes it looks like an egg being laid and the real tail is on top of the egg, do eggs mean anything ?

 

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[TLH]

I didn't forget about you Smee, I'm just slow. I've looked at some close-up pictures of the sides of the rocks that you had marked and I'm not seeing anything that looked like it did in the long shots, and thats kinda normal.digital photography is a wonderful thing and a great help to any treasure hunter,but artifacts are introduced all along the way from capture to posting on TreasureNet,so I've found that any detailed Scrutiny of a long range Internet JPEG will seldom show whats really there.So when I see something in a photo that looks interesting I try not to get excited till Ive checked it out in the field. You did see something though, just not what you thought.What you had as "crown painted here" is what I've always thought was a big sea turtle [#1] and your crown is part of his face.I think he's supposed to look like picture [#2]. Yes I know picture 2 is not sea turtles,but there looking up.In #4 close up Ive painted the heart and flat place[ which when the sun hits it right, looks like it has writing or symbols in it]. the turtle has a notch in his nose [ Ill post a picture when I find it ] that I believe lines up with something when your up on top. Can anyone see these things but me,I cant possibly be the only crazy person on the Internet.

 

[TLH]

Hey djui5, do you recognize these ? And do you need to borrow them ?

 

[djui5]

hahaha! I was just posting a picture of the Supers covered in snow on another thread. This is funny!

 

[TLH]

Wheres that post Randy? I would like to see that picture.

 

[djui5]

I got a couple more if you wanna see em. Mother in law said Mesa was getting snow, and one road had black ice that caused so many accidents they had to shut it down...

Crazy. I thought we lived in the desert!

 

[TLH]

djui5 thats pretty,but I would advise against quitting your job and becoming a ski bum right away.But show me some more maybe theres still hope.

 

[djui5]

Well I'm glad for the advice, especially since the snow is melted already! "get em while you can"

For some reason the detail isn't as good as it usually is, I was using a new setting and it was really bright.

(c) Randy Wright 2007

 

[starsplitter]

A fellow I worked with is a tree scientist (don't ask me the technical term for such a job). Anyways, he works out of Ohio State, travels around the world (no kidding), and, well, really knows trees.

My point? I think the twisted trunk pic is really interesting. I am sure that he could provide a definitive answer as to whether it is a natural, albeit weird condition, or if it was "trained" to appear as it does.

 

[TLH]

starsplitter, your friends thoughts on this tree would be very useful and appreciated. Can you show him the picture?

 

[starsplitter]

Re: strange pile of rocks & red trees

I no longer work at the same school with him. However, my wife does. I will print the picture so she can give it to him. I will try to get his personal email too. Interestingly, there is another twist (though it probably has nothing to do with your search)...

Last year, and I will ask him about this too, he was sent west to deal with some kind of tree problem. He told me about finding a tree (one of those ancient twisted, knarled pines out west). He then connected the tree to a treasure tale that included mention (as some kind of marker) a "red pine."

Apparently, this was important as the "red tree" portion of the legend was always an enigma. The "red" coloring on the tree is actually a kind of fungus. Interesting, isn't it?

 

[starsplitter]

Re: strange pile of rocks & GPS

For what it is worth... maybe you are reading too much into the geology. If something isn't definitive, like clearly man-made piles of stones, it could be your imagination at work. However, I am not a professional in any sense of the word, so who knows?

By the way, have you tried doing GPS points at these markers, getting digital maps and satellite shots, and layering them. Just a thought, but it might reveal something.

 

[cavers5]

Hi,

Sorry I'm just now getting back to your post, TLH. Yes, "nocs" are binoculars. Love those pics!

Good luck,
Cavers5

 

[starsplitter]

TLH,

My wife has given the good Dr. the picture of the strange twisted pine. I attached a couple of questions to it. I will relate his opinion as soon as he gets back to me.

By the way, have you mapped out the markers yet? I read somewhere of map software with a "layering" feature - it might prove useful (layer the markers and plot the possibilities using the layering feature). My county engineer has it as an online feature (very useful). Just a thought - sort of like treasure map brainstorming.

Mark

 

[TLH]

starsplitter thanks very much for your incite ,sorry its taken me so long to get back to you, Ive been traveling and don't get an Internet connection very often.I very much appreciate having your friend look at the tree picture,and I could email you a higher rez copy if that would help.That layering idea is a good one, I hadn't thought of that, I can do that in photoshop but I think it would be cumbersome, do you happen to know the names of the software you spoke of. I Cant wait to hear what the Dr. says, that should be interesting.You can post it here on Tresurenet so we can all see that he says.

 

[starsplitter]

TLH,

The good doctor has the pic. I am sure the resolution is fine. My wife gave it to him last week, but between absences and snow days (we are teachers), I have not gotten word back yet. I will post STAT when I do.

Relative to the software: I can't help you there.

Mark
Ohio

 

[starsplitter]

The Doc's response is coming - he couldn't get his printer to cooperate yesterday.

 

[TLH]

starsplitter, I'm on the edge of my chair!

 

[starsplitter]

TLH:

Uh, you're easy to please. Keep your fingers crossed - maybe it's a secret Jesuit pointie thingie to piles of gold! Seriously though, I am anxious to read what he has to say too. I am into science as well as history.

Mark

 

[starsplitter]

Re: strange pile of rocks - TWISTED TREE RESPONSE

Okay... Dr. Sayre's verdict is in, and it is disppointing news:

The twisted branch is almost certainly natural. It is pinyon pine, and over hundreds of years (yes, some of them are that old even if they do look small) "serpentine branching" is common. He also suspects that it is not one branch, but two (and possibly from separate trees) that are intertwined. The point is - the tree may predate the 16th century. So, between the natural branching characteristics, and when (if it was man-made) the "twisting" would had to have been done, short odds are on mother nature.

Unless you have other evidence to support the Jesuit "pointing branch" theory, you may want to reconsider it as a marker of any sort. That doesn't rule out use of Jesuits using a convenient natural element, but it is highly unlikely they made it that way.

Mark

PS: He gave me two pages of information on the tree, including its most likely location - I didn't think you'd need all the scientific mumbo jumbo