Strict gun control laws actually increase violence- statistic proof

[Old Bookaroo]

Red James cash:

Nasty lookin' bait.

"Go fish."

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[Treasure_Hunter]

Gentlemen if you 2 do not end this personal war I will end it for you.....

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Treasure Hunter:

There is an important difference between commonality and causation. The post was about an article that claimed a single variable determined a result. That doesn't make sense to me.

As for John Lott, I don't think his work is reliable.

Did Lott cook his “More guns, Less crime” data?
Posted by Tim Lambert on April 25, 2003

Ian Ayres and John Donohue wrote a paper that found that, if anything, concealed carry laws lead to more crime. Lott, (along with Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley) wrote a reply where they argued that using data up to 2000 confirmed the “more guns, less crime” hypothesis. In Ayres and Donohue’s response to that paper, they found that Lott’s data contained numerous coding errors that, when corrected, reversed the results. Furthermore, this was the second time these sorts of errors had been found in Lott’s data. Lott had presented to the NAS panel figures showing sharp declines in crime following carry laws. Declines which disappeared when the coding errors were corrected. Finally, when Lott saw Ayres and Donohue’s response he had his name removed from the final paper.
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Did Lott cook his ?More guns, Less crime? data? ? Deltoid

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Dave44]

And bookys proof that someone cooked #s are a couple of bloggers that cook for the extreme leftists,, How is that helpful?

 

[Potts]

Oh boy.

 

[Dave44]

Whew.

 

[Red James Cash]

Excuse me while I

 

[Old Bookaroo]

thrillathehunt:

When dealing with an issue as complex as this one, to claim "statistical proof" is a sure sign you're wrong. Reality just doesn't work that way.

The Relationship Between Gun Ownership and Firearm Homicide Rates in the United States, 1981–2010
Michael Siegel, MD, MPH, Craig S. Ross, MBA, and Charles King III, JD, PhD

Michael Siegel is with the Department of Community Health Sciences, Boston University School of Public Health, Boston, MA. Craig S. Ross is with Virtual Media Resources, Natick, MA. Charles King III is with Greylock McKinnon Associates, Cambridge, and Pleiades Consulting Group, Lincoln, MA.

Peer Reviewed

Contributors
M. Siegel obtained and analyzed the data. All authors conceptualized and designed the study, interpreted the results, wrote the article, and critically reviewed and commented on the article.

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[TD]ABSTRACT[/TD]
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Objectives. We examined the relationship between levels of household firearm ownership, as measured directly and by a proxy—the percentage of suicides committed with a firearm—and age-adjusted firearm homicide rates at the state level.

Methods. We conducted a negative binomial regression analysis of panel data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Web-Based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting Systems database on gun ownership and firearm homicide rates across all 50 states during 1981 to 2010. We determined fixed effects for year, accounted for clustering within states with generalized estimating equations, and controlled for potential state-level confounders.

Results. Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (incidence rate ratio = 1.009; 95% confidence interval = 1.004, 1.014). This model indicated that for each percentage point increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%.

Conclusions. We observed a robust correlation between higher levels of gun ownership and higher firearm homicide rates. Although we could not determine causation, we found that states with higher rates of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides.

Read More: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409?journalCode=ajph

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~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Dave44:

"Couple of bloggers?"

Ian Ayers: William K. Townsend Professor of Law, Yale Law School.

John Donohue III: William H. Neukom Professor of Law, Stanford Law School.

Shooting Down the “More Guns, Less Crime” Hypothesis
Ian Ayres & John J. Donohue III

http://islandia.law.yale.edu/ayers/ayres_donohue_article.pdf

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~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Dave44]

As Usual Book.. disinformation,, you have nothing to share but you are quick to point out all kinds of fanatics and you even drag up official sounding sources,, It is laughable that you did it again, So I took a look at them. They are all radicals. They get together on all kinds of issues so that people like you can quote them and show what hey hope are credible sources. Here are a couple of them for everyone to see... These people are evil, and ready for change the Marxists can believe in. I hope people start tracking down your sources as the discredited hacks they are. THIS is crony capitalism. Give them a thin veneer of credibility and source them as often as possible.

Boston? lol


GMA - Home
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VMR: Virtual Media Resources
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Pleiades Consulting Group, Lincoln, MA... No telling who these people are,, they have their hands in all kinds of crap..

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Dave44:

You are always quick to attempt to slay the messenger. So far, you haven't been able to muster any facts to dispute the message.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[NHBandit]

 

[Dave44]

Another article with these Marxists.. they are doing well trying to invade the mainstream..

Notice how they are always together? Once in awhile they find another progressive group to partner with.

Elsevier
[h=1]The Authors reply[/h]

• Michael Siegel, M.D., M.P.H.

• Charles King III, J.D., Ph.D.

• David H. Jernigan, Ph.D.

• Craig Ross, M.B.A.

• Joshua Ostroff, B.A.

Department of Community Health Sciences, Boston University School of Public Health, Boston, Massachusetts
Greylock McKinnon Associates, Cambridge, Massachusetts
Pleiades Consulting Group Inc., Lincoln, Massachusetts
Department of Health, Behavior and Society, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, Maryland
Virtual Media Resources, Natick, Massachusetts
Virtual Media Resources, Natick, Massachusetts

 

[Red James Cash]

Pleiades Consulting Group, Lincoln, MA

Look where theyre out of,that explains it all right thereIf you want to see a fluster cuck of no common sense moronic SFBs individuals come on over for a visit.

 

[NHBandit]

Treasure Hunter:

There is an important difference between commonality and causation. The post was about an article that claimed a single variable determined a result. That doesn't make sense to me.

As for John Lott, I don't think his work is reliable.

Did Lott cook his “More guns, Less crime” data?
Posted by Tim Lambert on April 25, 2003

Ian Ayres and John Donohue wrote a paper that found that, if anything, concealed carry laws lead to more crime. Lott, (along with Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley) wrote a reply where they argued that using data up to 2000 confirmed the “more guns, less crime” hypothesis. In Ayres and Donohue’s response to that paper, they found that Lott’s data contained numerous coding errors that, when corrected, reversed the results. Furthermore, this was the second time these sorts of errors had been found in Lott’s data. Lott had presented to the NAS panel figures showing sharp declines in crime following carry laws. Declines which disappeared when the coding errors were corrected. Finally, when Lott saw Ayres and Donohue’s response he had his name removed from the final paper.
…
Did Lott cook his ?More guns, Less crime? data? ? Deltoid

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

Did you Google that all by yourself ? And how many hits did you have to weed through before you found one that supported your side of the argument ? Does repeating garbage you find on the internet enough times make it smell any less ? Are you trying to win a prize for the most garbage located by doing Google searches ? You need a new hobby... Have you considered building model boats ?

 

[Red James Cash]

Heres whats a riot,they say finding a coding error,when corrected they reversed the hypothesis of "more guns,less crime" all in all,reversing the results,it would be less guns,more crime

 

[Chadeaux]

There you guys go again trying to confuse them with logic. They don't "get" logic. They would rather have you believe that holding hands & singing Kumbaya with the bad guys will make them change their evil ways. It's my feeling that a .40 caliber hole in the head works much better... Good post. Thanks !

Who are you referring to here?

 

[Chadeaux]

Treasure Hunter:

There is an important difference between commonality and causation. The post was about an article that claimed a single variable determined a result. That doesn't make sense to me.

As for John Lott, I don't think his work is reliable.

Did Lott cook his “More guns, Less crime” data?
Posted by Tim Lambert on April 25, 2003

Ian Ayres and John Donohue wrote a paper that found that, if anything, concealed carry laws lead to more crime. Lott, (along with Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley) wrote a reply where they argued that using data up to 2000 confirmed the “more guns, less crime” hypothesis. In Ayres and Donohue’s response to that paper, they found that Lott’s data contained numerous coding errors that, when corrected, reversed the results. Furthermore, this was the second time these sorts of errors had been found in Lott’s data. Lott had presented to the NAS panel figures showing sharp declines in crime following carry laws. Declines which disappeared when the coding errors were corrected. Finally, when Lott saw Ayres and Donohue’s response he had his name removed from the final paper.
…
Did Lott cook his ?More guns, Less crime? data? ? Deltoid

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

Damn! I thought you were smarter than that ... here's a hanky, y'all clean up that stuff drippin off'n yer chin.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Stop the insults now.....