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I found this in Alaska about 10 years ago, and have never been able to ID it. It is an aluminum piece, about 3 inches square. It has 15 teeth and is numbered 1-15. There is a stop preventing it from spinning freely. The back has two tabs that may have been used to mount it. ANY GUESSES?

Thanks,

MC

PS The quarter used for size was found yesterday! 1935S Yeah!
 

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Late night, can't sleep...

Isn't it possible that the circular cut in this picture was
made by the rivet punch that was used to fold or finish
the rivet?
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Isn't it possible that if the dial was loose and wouldn't
stay on the set number that all you would have to do
was gently press on the V tab, slightly bend it inward,
to make the dial less loose or not accidentally moved?
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I still think this is a simple finger operated cage counter
for whatever purpose, wasn't attached to anything other
then cage wire, no parts missing.
Looks like it was most likely mass produced as some sort
of press dies would be necessary to press form the
components. Looks like someone was snoozing the day
they made this one, V tab punch was miss aligned
and piece was upside down looks like to me, see pic below.
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Why so many people searching cannot find
a similar item is the real mystery to me!
 

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SWR said:
gambol1 said:
Hi, I'm new to the board and a newbie to MD. Having a great time coin shooting here in Florida. I would say it is not an adjuster of any type. Reason being when you rotate the wheel nothing changes but the number. Gauges, such as spark plug gauges or shim gauges have a variation in one part of the gauge. Its a counter of some sort. It could have been part of a larger machine. the tabs on the bottom look like they are for alignment and the two straight "legs" look like they fit into slots in some other device. :sign13:

First off...Welcome to TreasureNet.

Keep in mind that there are missing parts. If the gizmo was a counter, the numbers would more than likely lock in place, or a simple bump or brush against would mess up the count

Other then chickens I would be worried about releasing any animal (based above miscount scenario) if incubation count is days of potential rabies. ;D

The counter could be a simple manual fish catch counter. Device would fit most tackle boxes :icon_thumright:
 

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pronghorn said:
Late night, can't sleep...

Isn't it possible that the circular cut in this picture was
made by the rivet punch that was used to fold or finish
the rivet?

Isn't it possible that if the dial was loose and wouldn't
stay on the set number that all you would have to do
was gently press on the V tab, slightly bend it inward,
to make the dial less loose or not accidentally moved?


I still think this is a simple finger operated cage counter
for whatever purpose, wasn't attached to anything other
then cage wire, no parts missing.
Looks like it was most likely mass produced as some sort
of press dies would be necessary to press form the
components. Looks like someone was snoozing the day
they made this one, V tab punch was miss aligned
and piece was upside down looks like to me, see pic below.

Why so many people searching cannot find
a similar item is the real mystery to me!
Prongorn these are some of the best observations I have heard yet. I agree and said before that the circular mark could have been made during the manufacturing process. I realize now that its most likely the rivet set. As a matter of fact, Im sure of it.

I noticed the misaligned V tab punch but didnt realize what it was until now. :icon_thumright: Thanks for the help. Its punched on the wrong side.

Myself, if it was mine, I would like to tighten the rivet and try it but I am not the owner, so we can only surmise. Yes, a slight push on the V tab may help hold it on the number.

I will have to conclude, that with these new observations, that this is a cheap mass produced metal hand COUNTER that most likely attaches to a fence. I dont know why the bottom tabs were never bent. Maybe because it attaches so well using the top clips. I think the broken/cut part was just a simple clip for a different mounting option and may have held the manufacturers numbers.. Its actually an ingenius little item that may be patented. :sign13: Thanks Pronghorn for your assistance.​
 

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I'm going down the path of history here but FWIW I found a Fairbanks newspaper article from 1958 that listed the attendees to a poultry raisers conference. The only name listed for Soldotna was Francis E. Mullen.

I searched a little for him. His land did run by the Kenai River. I found these interesting photos in the Alaska Archives:

http://vilda.alaska.edu/

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:notworthy: Bramblefind ~ BigCy ~ trikikiwi ~ pronghorn ~ SWR ~ IronSpike :notworthy:

Thanks to your recent comments, as well as those from others along the way, I have entered a mindset, (speaking only for myself), that I may have been searching much too far outside of the box. Consequently, I am going back to square-box one! By this I am referring to the only "real" evidence I feel I currently have at my disposal, which is to try and focus for a moment on "where it was found," more so than "what it is." And this takes me to Soldotna, Alaska in the 1950s. Soldotna is about 60 miles south of Anchorage on the peninsula along the Kenai river. Soldotna currently has a population of about 4000, although this was significantly less in the 1950s. The area is famous for it's Salmon fishing along the Kenai river.

So with this said, I am going to transfer myself back in time and try to imagine what it was like to be a homesteader in that remote area at that time. And then focus ever ounce of "Occham's Razor" mentality I can muster on what the practical use of the item could have been. (And let me be the first to point out the likely possibility the item may have been taken there by accident, and was in a box of other junk, and that the "homesteader" didn't even know he had it). But I will assume for the moment that he did know he had it, and that it served some practical purpose. Which immediately rules out things like "egg counter" that I myself recently supported. (Although I do still feel it attaches best to mesh wire, or possibly tin sheeting or some similar material like that used in the making of a 1950s tackel box). < There's that box word again. :icon_scratch:

Now I'm thinking more along the lines of ...

Dare I say ...

"Rainfall total dial" that went with a tube-type rain gauge?

Anyway, I think you get the idea where I'm going with this, and will let you know what I find, if anything, as soon as I get back from America's last frontier.

:hello:
SOLDOTNABOB
 

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Looks like we had similar thoughts Bob :D I just found this blog which has some accounts of the area -

http://redoubtreporter.wordpress.com/

i.e. when I searched: Mullen Soldotna

http://redoubtreporter.wordpress.co...ldotna-houses-many-who-opposed-incorporation/

Soldotna itself was a loosely affiliated collection of homesteads, some subdivided and others still intact, when Alaska became a state in 1959 and the push for incorporation began. According to Hershberger, Frank Mullen was a “prime mover” in the effort, which set out to accomplish three main objectives: provide the community with more orderly growth; establish a means of taxation to pay for firefighters, police officers and other city services; and solve the area’s animal-control problem.

According to Hershberger, Soldotna was overrun by dogs, and several community members had taken it upon themselves to reduce the problem with firearms. Mary France, who lived with her husband, Dan, in Soldotna until about 1960, said people from elsewhere were using Soldotna as a sort of doggie dumping ground.

“There were lots of dogs,” France said. “There were many, many, many — and then some more manys — that just showed up in Soldotna. I don’t know why. There was a lot of dogs in Kenai, and I think a lot of people just figured, well, there weren’t as many dogs in Soldotna, so … .

“It just seemed like that’s what happened. (Dogs) would show up on somebody’s door. They’d drop them there by the bowling alley, and just all over. They’d just drive out, drop them out of the car, and be gone.”

http://redoubtreporter.wordpress.co...t-but-often-off-limits-to-early-homesteaders/

Illegal moose meat was a main source of food for us,” said Maxine Lee, Soldotna’s first postmaster, in a personal history written in 2003. “We were all law-abiding citizens, but in 1948, to get a hunting license, you had to have been a resident of Alaska for a year or else buy a $50 non-resident license and hire a guide at $50 a day — even on your own land.

“We had little money. We needed meat. The U.S. Fish & Wildlife controlled hunting — the Feds. They knew that we were eating moose, but they also knew we needed food. We were circumspect, hiding the meat tied up in spruce trees.”

Lee also said that many folks in those days believed they would receive lighter punishment for killing another human being than they would for killing a moose. Still, she said, the authorities were occasionally known to look the other way, particularly if it was understood that a homesteader’s survival might depend upon the infraction.
 

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I have to say its been an interesting read & I,ve followed it since I,ve joined recentlly , Which I have made very few posts .

I,ve held back posting what I thought it might be from the get go because I,m new here & I have no pics to post or references that shows anything close . But I have seen something very similiar years ago around the late 50,s earlly 60,s .

What I remember it belonging to was cheap Ho Scale toy race track & was a 15 lap counter as Most oval races back then were 15 laps . It clipped into an extension of the plastic race track & if memory serves It was in the section where the controller hooked up & it was a track switching section where the 2 cars switched lanes . I cant remeber but it seems like the little cars had a plastic piece on the side of it & when they passed it would move it one notch . When it got to 15 you set it back to the start before the next race .

I Might be wrong as well But not as far off as some others ideas . ;D . My brother & I received it for a present when we were kids & it just really looks familiar . As far as where it was found . My brother moved to alaska quite a few years back so I dont think it would be that far fetched as how it could have gotton there .

I Hope I didn,t confuse things even more . I just wanted to mention the posability . Thanks its been interesting ;D .Bob
 

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Bramblefind ~ cowboy357 > (Welcome aboard).

Wow! You guys just knocked me off my dog sled! Thanks, that was great!

Here's something that Mr. Occham found for me ...

:dontknow:

BOBSLEDBOB
 

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Here's a good article on life in Soldotna-

http://www.peninsulaclarion.com/stories/072708/peo_267201991.shtml

Sunday, July 27, 2008

Story last updated at 7/27/2008 - 2:45 pm
Looking back: Progress Days celebration is a good time to remember Soldotna's past
By Story By Erin Cooper | Peninsula Clarion

As the years have passed and Soldotna has progressed, it has gone through many changes, from fueling up for 27 cents a gallon to now paying nearly $5 a gallon, but what has not changed is a sense of community and steady progress toward a better future.

In 1947, townships west of the Kenai National Wildlife border were opened to homesteading as people migrated to Alaska looking for the opportunity the land promised and the community other homesteaders offered.

World War II had ended and veterans seeking land and fitting certain requirements were given preference. Having to be at least 19 years old, a U.S. citizen, the head of a family, build a habitable dwelling and live on their land for 7 months of one year, they were given patents. During the same time, non-veterans could also homestead the area but generally took up smaller parcels of land.

In a short time, land surrounding the highway was swept up. Homes were built, crops planted and people began to build a community that has grown, progressed and is celebrated during the 48th Annual Progress Days festivities.

Soldotna was selected as a sight for the Sterling Highway bridge, dedicated in 1951, to span the Kenai River, opening up the area to more homesteading and allowing homesteaders who had crossed the river on the ice or by boat greater access.

As the community grew, businesses opened and the economy started building on itself. Some homesteaders sold eggs, meat and dairy from farms, others owned businesses in town.

When Alan Ulen moved to the area, construction on the bowling alley was under way until construction workers went on strike that summer. His home was five miles south of Soldotna and he was "fortunate to find the place" after so much land was already taken up, he said. Arriving in 1959 in his "little old trailer" with his family, looking for work was hard during the strike until he found it in the oil field in 1960.

"It looked pretty bleak for making a living," said Ulen.

Some opportunities required leaving his wife and children for long periods of time, limiting his options.

Families stayed together by hiking in the snow, going sledding in the driveway, playing board games and working together to keep the homestead running. Women kept busy as homemakers.

Marge Mullen and her husband flew to Anchorage and backpacked south to the Kenai, where they set foot on the land they wanted as early arrivals amongst the homesteaders. Arriving around the big burn of 1947, Mullen swam in the surrounding lakes during the summer to keep cool. She found friends in neighboring homemakers who gathered once a month.

"For a real thrill for the ladies," said Mullen.

Cabins were miles apart but families met to collect water, to talk about jobs and local happenings. The well at Wilson's Store had the modern convenience of a hand pump and provided a place for the community to get water and meet with each other regularly.

"They thought putting women in the hole would make it narrower," Mullen said about hand-digging the family's 25-foot well herself.

She also was responsible for keeping the home fire burning, baking bread, making home brew and providing her family with three meals a day. She kept her kids close together and spent time with her family. With no electricity, she kept the lamps oiled before dark. Each family member had a role in keeping the homestead running.

"My kids had chores you couldn't imagine," she said.

Homesteaders wrote letters and hoped to receive one in return when visiting the post office. The Ulens received care packages from family in different states. Between receiving items or word from other places though, the homesteaders of the area depended on each other and their families to get along.

"People in the community played a lot of pinochle," said Ulen.

His family visited with the other homesteaders on Tote Road and "visited, played cards, and tried to stay warm."

They shared Thanksgiving with an older couple who lived nearby, and brought them to get their mail and water. The Ulens found community in the neighboring homesteaders. Dirt trails leading to other homes were cleared and cabins were built with the each other's help.

Arriving in 1948, Martha (Lancashire) Merry spent time with her family working together and swimming during the summer.

"Every afternoon we would go down to Soldotna Creek and swim and haul water while Dad would fish," said Merry.

During winter the children went to school, came home, did chores and went to bed. There was nothing else to do, although her dad did read to the family. As roads were paved, stores became more prominent and people swarmed the area, the way of life slowly changed.

"Living is a lot easier now," said Merry.

She said living as a homesteader developed character.

"People have to work harder now to develop character," said Merry.
 

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I thought I would highlight paragraph no.7 from Bramblefind's last post ...

Hmmm ... maybe the chicken did cross the road after all.

:dontknow:

SBB

As the community grew, businesses opened and the economy started building on itself. Some homesteaders sold eggs, meat and dairy from farms, others owned businesses in town.
 

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cowboy357 ~

Regarding your post #1098 ...

Please understand I am in no way trying to discredit your "Slot Car Lap Counter" idea. Actually, I think it's a great suggestion. And because of it I have spent a considerable amount of time searching for an image of one. Which, to my surprise, was no easy task. Below are the only photos I could find of what are described as "Vintage Slot Car Lap Timers/Counters." I'm also providing a link for anyone who wishes to investigate this further. I'm sure the lap counter "dial" you remember is something different that what is shown here. But I thought I would share them anyway just to show you I'm currently on the same "track" as you, except that I have been temporarily derailed. I would like nothing better than to solve this mystery, and still hold out hope you have nailed it. :dontknow:

Be sure to click on the "boxed sets" for the coolest graphics.

SODABOB

http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/kits/slots.htm
 

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cowboy 357 ~

I will conclude my slot car search with the attached photo of what is described as a "Circa 1962 1:32 Scale Eldon set #9805." However, on this one you will not only have to stretch your imagination, but also your eyeballs. What I would like you to focus on is the phamplet in the back of the box. You will see what (based on my research in this area) certainly appears to be "dual lap counter dials". You may have to zoom in on it ... but even then it's somewhat questionable. Anyway, I'm trying, but unfortunately have hit another dead end "track."

SLOTCARBOB
 

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I apologize for this bombardment of "wanna-be's", but since I jumped into this thing with both feet, I might as well see this race to the finish. And I promise this is the last one unless I find an "exact" match to support the slot-car theory.

The photo and link speak for themselves ...
... and I hope someone finds something more substantial.

Be sure and check out the videos (with sound) at the bottom of the link page.

If you look long enough at the photo below it starts to look like "E.T."

:icon_salut:

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http://www.prestonmarketing.com/toys/eldonslots/eldonslots.html
 

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Bob I,m begining to wonder myself :icon_scratch: . Great links & pics .

They just dont look like what I remembered our set looking like & I,ve searched under everything I can think of to find anything even remotlly similiar .


I even emailed the pic to my brother in Alaska & asked him what it reminded him of without mentioning what I was thinking . His first reaction was part of an old timer of sorts off of an old appliance , But secondlly He also said it looked like the lap counter off of our old race track set . But neither one of us can even remember what brand the set was :dontknow: .

I sure didn,t mean to throw you off track by mentioning it & I,m not giving up as well . I,ve even been going thru years of junk I have thinking maybe I had seen something similiar to it & just remembered it being from the old race track :icon_scratch: . I,ll let you know if I come up with anything else ;D. It darn sure aint the only one ever made . Good luck . Bob
 

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Correction !!!

I just realized I posted the wrong link on my post #1104. Although corrected now, it was a repeat of my previous one. So here's the Eldon link I intended to post in the first place. This is the one where I found the dual lap timers. Also, as I mentioned in post #110 (If you haven't already seen it) be sure to check out the three videos at the bottom of the link page. Sorry about the mess up.

SODABOB

http://www.prestonmarketing.com/toys/eldonslots/eldonslots.html
 

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Check out this link and see what you think ... (Gee, it even rhymes)

I'm not sure how this patented lap counter works, but it does have a "notched dial."

There may be earlier variations of this invention, and I'm still looking into that.

(In case you're wondering where I'm going with this, I'm trying to help "jog" memories. My own included. When I was a kid my thing was battery operated robots. The last one I had (age 10) was called "Robot Commando." And until just recently when I researched it, I realized how much about it's features/operations I had forgotten. Thus, maybe, just maybe, the lap counter in question isn't exactly as remembered).

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:dontknow:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3628725.pdf
 

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I know I'm getting way off track here, but this link was just way too cool for me to pass up. It's a TV commercial from 1961. And it shows the exact Robot Commando I used to have. I had forgotten that the missle came out of it's head. I remembered it as coming out of it's chest ... but as this video shows, I was wrong. I hope you don't mind my posting this ... just consider it a commercial break, and we'll get back to the regular programming shortly.

P.S. Make sure you have your sound on.

Plus it has other commercials, etc. for your enjoyment.

Thanks.

ROBOTBOB

 

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I've obviously had way too much coffee this morning ...

But this 1963, 6th grade photo of myself kind of looks like the kid in the robot commercial. We even have on a similar red shirt. But I sure don't remember doing any TV commercials. But like I've been saying all along ... My memory ain't what it used to be. And, "yes" ... this is positively the last one! Thanks for not yelling at me. :notworthy:

Respectfully,

Bob
 

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Good stuff Bob . ;D . I checked out the links & the vids . I,m starting to think much like yourself my memorys failing me , But I darn sure know i,ve seen this ( What ever it is ) before somewhere . Its sure been interesting to say the least .

Great Commercial break as well , Brought back some good memorys in the old toy commercials thanks . After looking at the robot vid a couple of times & the pic of yourself I would be looking in the mailbox for royalty checks from the commercials , lol . Like I said I,m not going to give up untill I can figure out where i,ve seen it before . Must be something about being named Bob , Allthough I know several other people have spent a lot of time trying to figure this out . Hopefully it will be solved soon . :read2: . Bob
 

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