The deceitfulness of the LRLs

[EddieR]

~werleibr~

Things a company would hide or not distribute to the public are things that do not make their business or products good.

Wow....Business 101 I guess..Art

Exactly, so if a company had information that their products did not work, they would not let people know because then they could not get people to buy them. But if they company had information that would help boost sales, then they would release that information.

Ah, but HOW would they release that information? As a business owner, I can tell you from experience that word of mouth advertising trumps all other. Needless to say, if a business is based on referrals, then the public as a whole might never hear of the product.

Look at the Amway Corporation. They do BILLIONS of dollars a year, but they base their marketing mostly on word of mouth referrals. And yet many people say they have never heard of them. Out of the ones who are familiar with them, most cannot name one of their products.

We are entering the realm of opinion on this subject, as one can only speak based on what they themselves would do.

Your right Amway does not do an agressive advertising campain,but they do advertise. They have sponsorships that they participate in that gives them advertising, articles in magazines they buy, some tv spots, and was part of a product placement in two movies. So they are not just a word of mouth organization. Avon and scentsy are similar companies as they have people sell their products. Now lets look at these more closely. Go to Amway or Scentsy. They have BBB Accreditation, Avon does not.. does this mean anything. Not really, but they strive to be a good business and are listed with the BBB. Dell is listed with the BBB but not accredited, and is listed as a soliciting company. H3tec... no where to be found with the BBB.

Another thing, Amway is in the health, beauty, and home care markets. We don't hear them makeing extrodanary claims about their products. They don't make a wild claim stating that their products cure cancer or anything because any drug that is released that would be making a claim must be aproved to use that claim from the FDA.

So no Eddie i am not entering the realm of opinion on the subject.

Okay, I was using Amway as a business model, not the company itself. True, they have started television adverts now. But if you want a specific company like I was suggesting...there is Xocai. They do no media adverts at all.

What it boils down to is this (I think you misunderstood me here)...No one can say EXACTLY what another business would or would not do, in this case advertising the report of the LRL test. It is entirely possible that they would, of course, but not definite. Just because you or I would do something does not mean that all others would.

Well you faild to use a good model then..

And a point i thik you did not get in my reply is They don't make a wild claim stating that their products cure cancer or anything

Not Amway, no. But there are companies out there that make claims above what many would consider "legal"...and they may have merit.

Personally, and this is just my opinion, I think that ANY product with adverse effects (more serious than the condition being treated) should be outlawed....and anyone supporting those poisons should be put away. But...it's only my opinion.

 

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[EE THr]

As a business owner, I can tell you from experience that word of mouth advertising trumps all other.

There is no actual word of mouth from people who fall for the LRL scam, because LRLs can't find anything.

...And so we have the LRL promoters, right here on this forum, with all their glorious BS, on and on.

Proven wrong again. You would think you would learn that you DO NOT know everything. I believe Carl said he has talked to people that felt they had been ripped off (I may be wrong, it may have been someone else). So yes, the word of mouth exists, both pro and con...for anything being bought or sold.

Your comments don't even refer to my quoted statement, above, much less "prove" anything---Except your faulty sense of logic!

 

[EddieR]

As a business owner, I can tell you from experience that word of mouth advertising trumps all other.

There is no actual word of mouth from people who fall for the LRL scam, because LRLs can't find anything.

...And so we have the LRL promoters, right here on this forum, with all their glorious BS, on and on.

Proven wrong again. You would think you would learn that you DO NOT know everything. I believe Carl said he has talked to people that felt they had been ripped off (I may be wrong, it may have been someone else). So yes, the word of mouth exists, both pro and con...for anything being bought or sold.

Your comments don't even refer to my quoted statement, above, much less "prove" anything---Except your faulty sense of logic!

Oh but they do. However, based on past experiences with your reasoning out others posts, it's unsurprising that you "don't get it now".

 

[EE THr]

Oh but they do. However, based on past experiences with your reasoning out others posts, it's unsurprising that you "don't get it now".

Well, that's typical. All childish insults, and no substance.

You, too, are your own best debunker.

Keep up the good work!

 

[EddieR]

Oh but they do. However, based on past experiences with your reasoning out others posts, it's unsurprising that you "don't get it now".

Well, that's typical. All childish insults, and no substance.

You, too, are your own best debunker.

Keep up the good work!

How is it an insult? I was stating a fact. Of course, along with a version of YOUR "do you get it now?". I suppose that could be considered a childish insult...but remember, YOU use it a lot.

 

[EE THr]

How is it an insult? I was stating a fact. Of course, along with a version of YOUR "do you get it now?". I suppose that could be considered a childish insult...but remember, YOU use it a lot.

If it wasn't an insult, that means you actually believe what you said is true. But if you're smart enough to know it wasn't true, then your statement about not being an insult is not true. Either way, it's sad for you. Sorry.

And it still remains that your comments contained no substance---but was only another attempted diversion away from the fact that the LRLs which you so adamantly promote, on an ongoing basis, don't really work at all. Sorry again.

Too bad you prefer fantasy over reality.

Anyway, you are still your own best debunker!

 

[aarthrj3811]

How is it an insult? I was stating a fact. Of course, along with a version of YOUR "do you get it now?". I suppose that could be considered a childish insult...but remember, YOU use it a lot.

If it wasn't an insult, that means you actually believe what you said is true. But if you're smart enough to know it wasn't true, then your statement about not being an insult is not true. Either way, it's sad for you. Sorry.

And it still remains that your comments contained no substance---but was only another attempted diversion away from the fact that the LRLs which you so adamantly promote, on an ongoing basis, don't really work at all. Sorry again.

Too bad you prefer fantasy over reality.

Anyway, you are still your own best debunker!

Thank You

 

[mikusek]

If they work, just get out there and use them, there is no need to sell them. The the user will have all the riches one person can stand or fathom, buy up Bill Gates' Microsoft, buy out Warren Buffet, buy the presidency like George Soros did for his puppet. I wouldn't waste a minute trying to convince anyone that they work, I would be getting dirty filthy scumbag RICH by using the LRL and then I would start helping the poor fix up their homes. I wouldn't waste a minute more.

Yuuuup! If they work, there should be no need to sell them to anyone else. If they work, then the inventor and/or sales force would become so rich that they wouldn't need to sell them. Why would anyone waste their time selling something that works when they can put them to use and make a million times the profit from selling such an item?

If they work, there is nothing to defend or attack or insult, and there is no need to sell them, for the inventor would have all the riches he or she could imagine. Logic dictates that, at least it is logical to me.

 

[Dell Winders]

In an ideal world you would be very rich selling your spear points & arrowheads and by that logic you wouldn't be wasting your time posting on this forum, and I wouldn't be wasting my time giving you the courtesy of a reply? Dell

 

[mikusek]

In an ideal world you would be very rich selling your spear points & arrowheads and by that logic you wouldn't be wasting your time posting on this forum, and I wouldn't be wasting my time giving you the courtesy of a reply? Dell

Democrat logic doesn't work on me. My post required no reply, its logic is IRREFUTABLE. And I do feel posting in this forum is a waste of time, it's like arguing politics and the socialist religion. Those who believe, believe. They have that right in this Republic, just as others have the right not to believe.

By the way, I didn't use a long range detector to find the artifacts in my collection. I hunted for them with my eyes as I walked fields, creeks, and rivers.

 

[Dell Winders]

Agreed! I am not a believer. I like facts and truth. All the best. Dell

 

[EE THr]

Agreed! I am not a believer. I like facts and truth. All the best. Dell

The facts and truth are that if LRLs and/or MFDs actually worked, you and other makers and sellers would arrange a public Scientific test, prove them out, and then you wouldn't need to waste your time arguing with people.

As it stands, not only will no unbiased Scientific test state that they will find treasure or anything else, but neither will you!

Add to that all the real Scientific tests, court judgements, and people knowledgeable in electronics, that have shown them to be fraudulent, and the only overall conclusion that can be arrived at is that LRLs and MFDs are fake devices which are promoted by con artists.

 

[Dell Winders]

The facts, and truth are that nearly all the LRL's on the market world wide are manufactured by Electronics people. According to your logic, that doesn't say much for the character of the people in the Electronics industry.

Perhaps your rants and complaining would do better targeted to electronics people at electronic forums and publications where this criminal fraud you speak of originates. Dell

 

[aarthrj3811]

~signal_line~

Every hunt I have been on has had it's own set of obstacles. Wild animals, possibly rabid are right up on my list, but if it was easy all the treasure would be gone by now. Without an LRL I would have quit long ago.

You are correct...I have made 3 or 4 trips to another state to research treasure legends to find that I could not get access to the property.. I have encountered bears at many of the sites I have tried..I don’t remember how many times I have followed a good signal and it would go onto Military Property..I guess these guys just dream about treasure hunting and in their dreams it is easy..Art

 

[EE THr]

The facts, and truth are that nearly all the LRL's on the market world wide are manufactured by Electronics people. According to your logic, that doesn't say much for the character of the people in the Electronics industry.

Perhaps your rants and complaining would do better targeted to electronics people at electronic forums and publications where this criminal fraud you speak of originates. Dell

You are offering the illogic that just because you sell LRLs, that all "electronics people" are con artists?

You're not much in the logic department, either.

 

[EE THr]

As mentioned in this Section many times before, there is lots of proof that metal detectorists have found valuable items. It even appears in the news sometimes.

But never anyone "using" an LRL.

If LRLs worked, then the statistics should be way more of them, than detectorists, finding stuff.

By the alleged nature of LRLs, one would be able to see immidiately, by triangulation, where the treasure is located, and either just skip those on private property or make a quick inquiry and either get a signed contract from the owner or skip it an go on to your next "find." That's much, much easier than metal detectorists have it, because you would know in advance if there were a treasure on the property or not. Also, you would supposedly know if it was too deep to retrieve or not.

And since you could supposedly triangulate treasures so quickly, covering long distances (that is, after all, the supposed advantage of LRLs, isn't it?), you could locate many, many times more treasure and valuable mineral deposits in a single day than any other existing methods.

So the "found it, but couldn't dig it" excuse just doesn't work.

 

[Dell Winders]

According to the logic of your posts, Ignorance is your greatest asset. Dell

 

[EE THr]

According to the logic of your posts, Ignorance is your greatest asset. Dell

When a person has no real facts to back up his position, he will often resort to insults, as you have done.

 

[Dell Winders]

Show me some real facts from personal experience? Don't show me what you copy cat off the internet Dell

 

[aarthrj3811]

~EE~

When a person has no real facts to back up his position, he will often resort to insults, as you have done.

You are correct...That is exactly what you are doing..Art