The enigma of the Paracas Candelabra

[Crow]

Does the Paracas Candelabra point to treasure?

Done of the South Coast of Lima down near the small city of Pisco in the bay of Pisco on the Pancras Peninsular lies an enigma. Archeologists believe this Glyph that looks like a candelabra was an ancient geoglyph? Pottery found near the site suggests from radiocarbon dating suggests the site could be dated from around 200 BC. However there are some errors in this assumption as there was not proof the glyph and archeological remains are in-situ as the local mayor years ago attempted to clean the glyph contaminating the site. So some archeologists are weary for connecting this enigma to the Nazca people who was responsible for the drawings on Nazca plain several miles away.

Some historians believe it was a navigation mark as there was no early record of this glyph in early Spanish accounts? Some say it was a Mason Mark? others Say it was a navigation mark for smugglers bypassing the watchful eyes of the Spanish Crown watching all silver shipments passing through Lima. And Silver in secret was shipped down through underground aqueducts to one the churches at Pisco and smuggled out at night to awaiting ships to the new world by passing the Vice royalty and paying the royal 5th payment to the crown? So legends allude it to buried treasure? The Glyph is nearly 6 feet long and can be seen from 12 miles out to sea.

Today it still keeps it secret well...





Can you solve the riddle of the enigma of the Candelabra?

Crow

 

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[Interested Party in UK]

Hi Crow

Wasn't there a story about a treasure leaving from Pisco Bay that had been stolen from a church during the time of the revolution and being buried on some isle in the Pacific Ocean?

I'm sure it wasn't the story of the "Lima Treasure" and Cocos Island.

IPUK

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hi Crow IPuk, interesting in that a huge Sun was made at Tayopa in the same basic way. It was made by merely removing the soil down to bedrock. It is perhaps 35 meters in dia with the ring perhaps 10 meters wide, on a perhaps a 30 - 40 * slope.. I can only estimate, since I did not wish to call attention to it if it was not already known.

I spent two years off and on looking for this Sun since it was prominently shown on a map that I had. Interesting story on that map, in any event I had already identified the other points and was merely looking for the Sun for final confirmation.

Even the locals (Guayajiros) didn't / don't know of its existence. It is readily visible for many kilometers IF one is looking for it and on the correct trail.

Is there a Spanish connection ?? Was the design brought from SA, or merely coincidental? Did the Spanish copy this technique or , which I doubt since the Nazca's are basically visible from the air.

Which reminds me of the Piri maps

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good morning IPUK my esteemed friend: Please continue with your story, sounds very interesting. Indicative of a MO of the Spanish.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Hey Don,

Well let me top-up some of that hot funny looking and smelling stuff you drink - Sure you won't try some tea my old friend??

Sorry that's me just being facetious

Well, apparently there is an old story floating around that during the 19th century (too many varied dates to be more definitive) four army deserters in Peru garnered some inside information from a renegade padre that a huge amount of precious metals and gems was secretly stored in a church in Pisco. The four deserters then made their way to Pisco to surreptitiously gather details. Two won the confidence of the church priest and managed to convince him that the renegade padre was going to attack the church with a gang of desperadoes and steal the treasure. They said that they would help the priest and local authorities to move it by ship to a more secure location up the coast. They then took the treasure, killed the escort, buried the treasure on a uninhabited island in the Pacific and went and disappeared in Australia for some time with a small amount of the treasure. There, two died, one was sent to prison after a fight and died there and the other became destitute. Someone showed him some kindness and he divulged his great secret to him before dying. The 'lucky' individual sold-up everything (so convinced was he of the treasure's authenticity), that he went to search for it.

After the above, there are so, so many differing stories, it is best to simply not even attempt to untangle or make sense of it. I would say that it follows the 'Lima and Cocos Island' story to closely, and in all probability is over-lapping it in some way.

IPUK

 

[Crow]

Hello IPUK

It is not the only treasure legend associated with Pisco. One such story tell of a vessel called Vina Del Mar crewed by Italians from Genoa in 1811. Most of crew contacted fever a died. They are buried in a mass gave somewhere in near an old ruined chapel The ship almost crew less was attacked and plundered in the bay of Pisco. A large amount of silver was stolen and money. Strange enough there was a member here a few years ago involved in searching for this alleged treasure. He had a letter passed down through the family as he was part American and Part Peruvian Spanish. In the 1930s or there about? A box was found with silver dollars some items and written directions of where to find this treasure. He and his father spent many years exploring along the Nazca and Ica desert looking for this ruined chapel but the sands of time had covered it.

We discussed and toyed with the possabilty of a project however at the time I was commuted to other projects. Last I heard of him he was in New york But hey that was about 10 years ago

Strange enough a few years ago while researching some thing else I came across an old book that confirmed the vessel the crews origins and deaths from yellow fever. That was written in the mid 19th century nearly a hundred years before the alleged discovery of the letter and box.


Another legend tells of Dutch 1693 pirates attacked and extorted large sums of money from the merchants of various ports. Near Pisco some dutch Pirates captured 3 Spanish vessels mostly carrying wine there was rumors they were also smuggling silver. The Legend tells the story that Candelabra was a navigation mark for smugglers to come in and pick up illicit Silver shipments. Wine producing in region was Front for the Jesuits as they were actively engaged in Smuggling. There story that the Nazca Indians made underground tunnels lined with bricks mixed with Bird eggs to harden the mortar to channel water centuries earlier. When the Spanish settled in Pisco they used the underground water source. They Jesuits had wells every few miles tapped into this tunnel in which they used to irrigate the country side and grew grapes and made wine. The Underground tunnel went for about 26 miles. It was a large enough for a donkeys to pass through. it is said even today one of the old churches today has a tunnel connected to this underground stream.

Crow

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Hello IPUK

It is not the only treasure legend associated with Pisco. One such story tell of a vessel called Vina Del Mar crewed by Italians from Genoa in 1811. Most of crew contacted fever a died. They are buried in a mass gave somewhere in near an old ruined chapel The ship almost crew less was attacked and plundered in the bay of Pisco. A large amount of silver was stolen and money. Strange enough there was a member here a few years ago involved in searching for this alleged treasure. He had a letter passed down through the family as he was part American and Part Peruvian Spanish. In the 1930s or there about? A box was found with silver dollars some items and written directions of where to find this treasure. He and his father spent many years exploring along the Nazca and Ica desert looking for this ruined chapel but the sands of time had covered it.

We discussed and toyed with the possabilty of a project however at the time I was commuted to other projects. Last I heard of him he was in New york But hey that was about 10 years ago

Strange enough a few years ago while researching some thing else I came across an old book that confirmed the vessel the crews origins and deaths from yellow fever. That was written in the mid 19th century nearly a hundred years before the alleged discovery of the letter and box.


Another legend tells of Dutch 1693 pirates attacked and extorted large sums of money from the merchants of various ports. Near Pisco some dutch Pirates captured 3 Spanish vessels mostly carrying wine there was rumors they were also smuggling silver. The Legend tells the story that Candelabra was a navigation mark for smugglers to come in and pick up illicit Silver shipments. Wine producing in region was Front for the Jesuits as they were actively engaged in Smuggling. There story that the Nazca Indians made underground tunnels lined with bricks mixed with Bird eggs to harden the mortar to channel water centuries earlier. When the Spanish settled in Pisco they used the underground water source. They Jesuits had wells every few miles tapped into this tunnel in which they used to irrigate the country side and grew grapes and made wine. The Underground tunnel went for about 26 miles. It was a large enough for a donkeys to pass through. it is said even today one of the old churches today has a tunnel connected to this underground stream.

Crow

Hi Crow

Interesting stuff. To be honest, I did not know of these other stories associated with Pisco.

The stuff you mention about a box being found with silver in, I have heard some garbled versions about that regarding a gentleman who did have a map of sorts and found a small chest with silver and gold coins within. But where this differentiates is, the story I heard was it took place in some lonely atoll in French Polynesia. Could be a connection there, could be not - who knows?

The tunnel thing you mention, there has been plenty of those around as well, connected to various treasure legends. So much has been spent on looking at various islands and coastline locations in the Caribbean and off the east coast of Central and South America for hidden treasure (with good reason due to the Treasure Fleets travelling to Spain and the various pirate and buccaneer hideouts), but I believe that the west coast of the Americas will have just as an interesting set of possible locations....

The above would be more to do with treasure buried rather than sunk, as it was a far busier traffic hotspot for the Pacific Ocean from the mid-17th century onwards.

IPUK

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

G'd morning my friends: There was more piracy on the Pacific coasts than in the Caribbean as Ipuk mentioned.. This was especially true for the north America regions. Most major ports still have forts for repelling pirates.

Reason ? Mining. There was a virtual river of precious metals flowing down to Mexico city. There are records of mule trains consisting of over 10o0 mules at a time, However large gangs of outlaws etc preyed upon them, to the extent that they turned to the sea.

One such group were the Laureanos which numbered over a thousand members. The gov't finally had to end them with what amounted to a war .

The pirates quickly found that lightly armored ships practically capsizing from metal, were far easier and safer pickings than the Treasure convoys in the Caribbean.

More gentlemen, More, coffee will be served.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Gentlemen: I am coming to the conclusion that the Quipus were a tonal classification device utilizing the basis of 10, which conveniently fits our mathematical system. In other words it is actually a written language carrier, as well as a mathematical system. . Now to find a copy of ancient Peruvian spoken language to go further, join me?

Incidentally we use a system of 8 and 2 for our modern systems of communication.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[releventchair]

Does the Paracas Candelabra point to treasure?

Done of the South Coast of Lima down near the small city of Pisco in the bay of Pisco on the Pancras Peninsular lies an enigma. Archeologists believe this Glyph that looks like a candelabra was an ancient geoglyph? Pottery found near the site suggests from radiocarbon dating suggests the site could be dated from around 200 BC. However there are some errors in this assumption as there was not proof the glyph and archeological remains are in-situ as the local mayor years ago attempted to clean the glyph contaminating the site. So some archeologists are weary for connecting this enigma to the Nazca people who was responsible for the drawings on Nazca plain several miles away.

Some historians believe it was a navigation mark as there was no early record of this glyph in early Spanish accounts? Some say it was a Mason Mark? others Say it was a navigation mark for smugglers bypassing the watchful eyes of the Spanish Crown watching all silver shipments passing through Lima. And Silver in secret was shipped down through underground aqueducts to one the churches at Pisco and smuggled out at night to awaiting ships to the new world by passing the Vice royalty and paying the royal 5th payment to the crown? So legends allude it to buried treasure? The Glyph is nearly 6 feet long and can be seen from 12 miles out to sea.

Today it still keeps it secret well...

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Can you solve the riddle of the enigma of the Candelabra?

Crow

Could mean wealth and especially coffee. A territorial marker. Or simply be a navigation landmark.

Piquete, São Paulo State (Brazil)

 

[Crow]

Hello All

My memory is slipping.... The name of the vessel was not Vina Del Mar. It was the Estrella Del Mar. However it is classic example how quickly memory can change legends.

Don Jose you have a good point banditry and piracy and smuggling was rife along the South and Central and North American coasts. And of course we ahd manilla Galleons. But I think it was the small coastal traders that fell prey to pirates and later privateers.

IPUK Interesting story about treasure in Polynesia. although I can understand how quickly a story like this would get garbled in Polynesia. No technology has ever came close to the light speed information spreads across the atolls along the Coconut radio. Some atolls have very small populations and very remote and because of the isolation people like to talk about anything. So I can imagine stories getting garbled quite quickly.

Releventchair could be quite possible, but I am not sure coffee was exported through Pisco? The candelabra could be a prayer for mariners involving the father the son and the Holy ghost? Some say it represents a hallucinogenic plant?

It may not have any connection to pirates at all.

Crow

 

[releventchair]

Yes ,triune God was a first thought but risks persecution if your stationed there. Definitely a sign for mariners or god(s). Its localized theory of it representing a gods trident or lightning rod could factor. Coffee east,marijuana west ,jimsonweed arrival to straight ahead forward port,(if port is forward) may have occurred but candelabra not real jipsonish?http://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/images/archive/datura_stramonium2.jpg

 

[Crow]

Hello releventchair

Good idea it is possible? But I do understand why they would have to have sign for it?

As Anyone taking Datura nicknamed "Angles trumpet" Will take a fast trip to meet god alright.

out of all the hallucinogenic drugs Datura is one of the worst.There can be a 5:1 toxin variation between plants, and a given plant's toxicity depends on its age, where it is growing, and the local weather conditions. This variation makes Datura exceptionally hazardous as a drug. In traditional cultures, a great deal of experience with and detailed knowledge of Datura was critical to minimize harm as many people have become blind from the effects. There is no other psychoactive substance has received as many severely negative recreational experience reports as has Datura plant. The overwhelming majority of those who describe their use of Datura find their experiences extremely unpleasant both mentally and physically and often physically dangerous. There has been many fatal cases of over dose.

As for it being a candelabra others claimed the base was a later addition to the original Glyph. The fact of the matter I really do not know what it supposed to represent. All suggestions theories are welcome as the whole Glyph its origins and purpose is a mystery.

Crow

 

[releventchair]

Should someone navigate as poorly as I have on fresh water ,any landmark would help on bigger water!
But mystery is good,keeps color in life.
An ambitious project to create,even stone at waters edge worked,some more recently perhaps.Or a scar from the bow of a great ship.

 

[Crow]

Ah its these little mysteries in life that make life all the more worth living.

My navigation is good its just my steering. Kanacki recons I steer the drumbeat like I am avoiding a UBoat.

Crow

 

[Corporate Investigations]

Hello Crow

See what happens when you sail a vessel full of hula dancers. You have been spoiled so much by those girls I hear that your gone cross eyed.

Amy