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the everything site ...?

now if you took the time to read it , here is why its of interest to me ...


"http://www.gnosiscentral.com/englishbooks/Secret_Doctrine_Of_Anahuac.pdf "

this doctrine shares a lot of under standing with the loss of the culture i am studying ....


did this culture give the writers of the bible and modern faith the basics of their faiths ..

of so the culture is still givening birth to mankind thousands of years later ...


this is a writer of thoey and not all is based on facts in order . yet i find it shares a common ground wth what i am finding in the culture of chicomoztoc


and the fact dose remain ..chicomoztoc is older the china it self ...or its culture ...

i think the environment changed so much threw the history ogf the earth that we failed to see it for what it once was ...

IMHO we are looking at the oldest culture on earth or in the history of mankind ...
 

now if that hasnt got your intrest , check this out ...


http://www.answers.com/chichen-Itza

note Old Chichen

"Old Chichen" is the nickname for a group of structures to the south of the central site. It includes the Initial Series Group, the Phallic Temple, the Platform of the Great Turtle, the Temple of the Owls, and the Temple of the Monkeys.
temples to the south "


noe the :

"Seven Great Rulers" a viable interpretation! But these names do not easily fit into the Maya logic and conventions of naming places. A possibility is that if Uuc Habnal references stone/caves, then this might be an allusion to the Seven Caves held to be an origin-place for some Central Mexicans.


This name is difficult to define because of the absence of a single standard of orthography, but it is represented variously as Uuc Yabnal, Uuc Habnal, Uuc Hab Nal, Uc Abnal. The words uuc (uc or uuk) mean seven. The second word if yab is "many" or if hab it is "year" with possible reference to a particular kind of stone and also caves ( seven caves )

..."the Platform of the Great Turtle" = chicomoztoc the seven caves , birth place of the chichen-Itza


you also got to wonder when you read this ":

Chichen Itza was a major economic power in the northern Maya lowlands during its apogee. Participating in the water-borne circum-peninsular trade route through its port site of Isla Cerritos, Chichen Itza was able to obtain locally unavailable resources from distant areas such as central Mexico (obsidian) and southern Central America (gold).

Obsidian and gold , thats funny those are the two things i found at chicomoztoc , i think they got that backwards , the chichimeca went to trade these things to others ....at chichen-Itza....
 

dont worry i am just getting warmed up ....lol



religions are a good thing when they dont destory the facts and truth to miss leed the sheep ...

they have done a lot of good but they have done a lot of bad ...answering for the good is a reward welcome to most .. answering for your sins .is often not so fun ...

its funny many of the religions of modern times started thousands of years after the culture in question , there is no contest what so ever ...we are talkingabout a culture that was developed back as old a co-magna shaman around 35,000 years BC

IMHO if you beleive any modern religion , thats up to you . but in my case i want the truth , and the truth is shinning threw the past ...

here is a pure faith from within each of us ..

if i was the modern religions of today i would have feared them just as much .. they had good reason to ...

its easy to fear someone and something with more wisdom,faith and intelligence then your own...

a lack of under standing i guess ....lol or just plan ignorance,, and think ,they called them " savages ".... who is the savages now ...??????
 

bb,

"Obsidian and gold , that's funny those are the two things I found at chicomoztoc".

Could the reason for your being unable to get Scott Wood to even look at your "Chicomoztoc" site, be that you failed to show him either obsidian or gold? Did you only present your story.....or stories along with out of focus pictures. I believe this is the first time you have mentioned finding those items.

If your story expands much farther, you will have found Jimmy Hoffa's body, as well as Amelia Earhart's plane. :o Hope I haven't stolen your thunder on another announcement. ::)

Joe Ribaudo
 

bb,

"in fact after his reply to a so called site 1, i made up to see his reaction i never trusted him after that ,,,...lol"

I see. You made up the site you told him you wanted a permit for, and when he didn't buy your story, you gave up on the rest. After all, it was a really good story.......wasn't it?

In truth, you have never applied for any permit, right? Not to worry about that, as there are a number of people who have claimed to have found the LDM and put in for a treasure trove permit, and were just fabricating everything except for an existing hole in the ground. It's kind of sad really.

When one goes back to your original posts, the scope of your search and findings have grown to monumental proportions. I must admit, your imagination is boundless. Most of us realize that you are "just getting warmed up".

I would suggest you make your posts much shorter. Long cut and paste Internet articles make me lose interest quickly. Keep it short and pithy and I will keep reading your stuff. :icon_study:

Joe Ribaudo
 

BB,
Some days I wish I didn't have so much time on my hands to read this stuff. Its not necessarly your stories that amaze me, its just the fact that you are able to keep it up. What is it that you are really doing?. Surely you must know the way the general public views your stories. Why do you keep it up? If you don't care that no one believes you why do you continue to post? You insist that you have proof but you continue to refuse to show it. Why do you insist that you have proof but refuse to show it??, you MUST know that no one believes your claims of proof but you continue to post that you have it, why?, I think that is my biggest qustion. The longer this goes on, the odder this whole story line becomes and the odder you appear. I am quite sure that I won't recieve an honest answer but these are just some simple questions from a simple man with too much free time on his hands

Bill
 

after his reply to a so called site 1, i made up to see his reaction i never trusted him after that
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That's certainly a sad commentary on how you approached something like this. One of the most important things anyone has to offer in their lives is their word - once that's been proven to be false, there's little that can be done to reverse other people's perceptions.

You often use the term "logical" in your posts - it seems after you make a statement such as above that a wise person would logically conclude that your word can't be taken at face value and it effectively creates doubt at best and disbelief at worst in anything you say in the future.
 

Batter up----------->zing.... its a.... a.... (droop) The crowd... yawns.

Ah come on BB ... you are waxing esoteric again... I love it, read it, been there done that. Sex magick on a treasure forum ... gimme' a break.. come on... do you have the goods or not? So what if Avatar Samuel did what you won't. He shared his discourses.

He told people what was what.

Make it a big splash at the Oct. gathering... show us ALL just how good you are. I will make sure a camera is there for you go down in posterity. If what you postulate is even half of what you gurgle about ... it will be amazing.

Or contact the Goldwater trust and get them to make sure its not destroyed. If it has anything near the appellations you give it. I promise it can be preserved. Bruce Babbitt is my ex's cousin.

I agree with some of your interpretations, but like they say 'publish or perish.' Cut and paste doesn't count.

I agree with the idea that whatever happened here in AZ ... its old, much older than we can imagine... The use of Lunar Worship, dates it much further than the last 6000 yrs of Solar Worship. IMO Lunar worship predates Solor by at least a span of thousands of years if not more. Sin, the god of the Moon in Mesopotamia, is still venerated with Mt. Sinai.

Joe wrote:
How do we know they knew something that we don't even know exists yet? To have that knowledge, wouldn't we need to know exactly what it is that they knew and thus, what we don't know? If you know this for a fact, why not just tell us exactly what they knew?

I have kept this post so I try to answer it ... but got delayed rescuing a dog, getting dragged down the street by said dog and ending up in ER, with bruises from head to toe. But the pup came back and gave a lovely slurp up the expensive sunglasses now embedded into my face.

The Mayan cycle is 'alleged' to be based on solar events, in a circular fashion, they believed that by keeping track of this cycle could and did predict things in the future. That worked out really well for Monctezuma don't ya' think. It is an amazing piece of machinery and thousands of years of years of observation. There is still so much we don't know about the calender.

The reasoning I am following it that the culture before whatever catastrophe was lunar based, but the event also affected the moon or how we as humans perceive it and its importance.
Think ReSet Button.
I think an event happened that literally blew us back to the stone age. Think about what happened when the sky lit up in 1064, there was a gathering of people, they built solid structures (in the US), in Europe they went on Crusades, as time went on, and nothing 'happened' no Messiah ... no golden chariot.. Just sunshine and moonshine... and then another cycle and not keeping the land protected and the people happy and safe. eventually, falling into human sacrifice. Or war?
I'm tired, going to take some more pain meds and tell my leg to heal...lol
Janiece
 

At this point BB there is nothing to believe or not believe, and thats cool... that wasn't what 'I' was looking for. I'm looking for a story, legend or myth and the following the string through history.
My belief is that the 'ruins' were appropriated, kinda like at some time was Baalbek.
But that is another story.
Janiece
 

BB, this is my frustration with you... you find a thread and like me follow it till you can completely understand it, which if you do like I do... would wear someone else out, and this isn't what most are here for.
But, if you could go back and tell us what conclusion you were trying to lead us to, rather than all of us stumbling around and trying to get what you are clearly obtaining from the material, you don't have to give us X marks the spot. Just tell us what your conclusion of the material is.
Change the outcome, this time don't bull up and tell us how [prohibited word deleted - violation of terms of use - attempts to circumvent this word filter may result in member banning] we are.. (I know it already).
Janiece
Wow... I have no idea what I did... (checking pill bottle)hmmm
 

Gossamer said:
I can sure clear a room, can't I :bunny:
Janiece
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Trust me Janiece, you're not responsible for the room clearing :wink:
 

and good night to you johnboy... ah I mean BB.
Janiece
 

Re: the everything site ...? (LONG winded reply)

HOO boy this is going to be a VERY long reply, so I beg your indulgence:

HOLA Blindbowman (and everyone),

Blindbowman wrote:
why would i go all the way to san pedro ,peru for Punku...?

it came from chicomoztoc !

they got that backwards .the punku cactus came from site 4 and was taken to the other 4 locations ...



lol why do you think the nazca drawings were made . they had been driven from their secerd home land and saw their culture comeing to a end . they made then because they would not vanish without makeing their mark so they would be rememberd some day ...

you fail to under stand the turth because you have been force feed the lies ...

the tribes all came from chicomoztoc .....!

inca, mayan,chichimeca ,Azteca they are all cast from the same bloodlines .....i have evidence that dirrectly ties peru to chicomoztoc
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Well amigo you have stepped out onto yet more thin ice here – for the archaeological record (as well as the records of the cultures you mention) do not agree with your statements. It will take more than a little evidence to prove these statements. Impressions, visions, voices perceived by ESP or remote viewing etc will not convince the historians.

Blindbowman also wrote:
the ore deposite was rich and never totally work out . even when the site was lost for 200 years and then found its past was so unknown at that time few knw what it was and renamed it .not knowning its past . chicomoztoc wasnt well known even to the spanish ... the priest that did find it after the spainsh only try to control the site . the indains try to protect this secerd site by makeing it vanish
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And
no church on earth can stand up to this secerd place , none will stand and cast a shadow over it ..

this is why they try to stop me and my discovery .. because i am right this is chicomoztoc

1000 times more secerd then Jerusalem could ever be
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And
apone this earth ,there is no more secerd place...<snip>chicomoztoc, the seven caves ,the birthplace of man <snip>chicomoztoc is older the china it self ...or its culture ...
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So the site is a gold mine, a sacred site (the Chicomoztoc) with seven caves, a church, a ball court, the origin of mankind, all rolled into one? Does that make sense to you amigo? It does not make sense to me. The world is a much larger place than just the Superstition mountains. There are many paleontologists and historians who will take issue with some of your statements here amigo – and they have a fossil record to back it up. You are making an extremely difficult case to prove, and will have many folks that will not agree it is correct.

What do you say that the Dillmans have found in Utah amigo? If Chicomoztoc is in the Superstition mountains, what is in Utah? Blindbowman you seem to have some sort of shame at being a white man, relating yourself and identifying with the Amerindian shaman culture, and now show great respect for the religion of the Aztecs – so how do you feel about their practice of human sacrifice? What about their little habit of attacking all neighboring tribes for the purpose of enslaving them and obtaining more victims for the sacrificial altars? You must also know that their great knowledge of the calendar and celestial cycles were used as tools to keep the people under their rule – not educating the masses to understand what are ordinary and natural cycles, but using them as some kind of phoney supernatural evidence of their “powers”. . I get the impression that you see the Amerindian people as some kind of “innocent victims” of the church and of “whites” – well amigo the truth is far more complicated than that. Have you ever researched the history of the “white” people you are so ashamed to have the same color skin? By your statements I can surmise that you have not. If you had, you would recognize that it is very much the same history as that of the red Amerindian people, and of the black people as well. If you ever have the time and are curious, I would suggest you read Tacitus’ book “Germania” for starters. People are not so different amigo, not any people on earth and not for thousands of years. A famous author wrote:

“Mountains wash into the seas, rivers change course, seas dry up, everything changes except man.”



Blindbowman also wrote:
i shook some trees and got a few names to look at ...maybe it is all a game, maybe its not ....
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That is the real question here isn’t it amigo? If it is not all just a game for you, why would you have said that it is a game on another forum? You should not be surprised at the reactions and mistrust this little game engenders. I am not so altruistic as you claim to be amigo, gold and silver do matter to me. It is real money, “God’s money” as the old-timers used to say, not phoney paper with pretty pictures that devalues in your pocket. Do you suppose that we would be able to be talking here via the internet if not for gold? If you have truly found the lost gold mine of Jacob Waltz, and also the mine complex of Tayopa (Mexico notwithstanding) then the precious metals in that mine ought to be dug from the earth and brought to light; it puts real money into the economy, which in turn creates jobs, puts money into the tax revenues etc. Lying there in the ground, slowly decomposing atom by atom, it does no one any good whatsoever. I can’t imagine a gold mine in a cave or cave system, and can’t see why a gold mine ought to be located by or in any kind of Amerindian sacred site, or ball court and so forth – but if there really is a gold mine (or silver for that matter) it is worth the effort to produce that gold. Besides, without some gold ore that will match the ore of Waltz, it is not possible to prove that anyone has found that mine.

I wish you good luck in proving up your many statements and points that you have claimed for the sites you found in the Superstition mountains of Arizona, you are going to have a very up-hill battle trying to convince the academics. As for me, heck I would be more than satisfied if I were to find the lost gold mine of Jacob Waltz, and bring out a load of that good gold. I won’t be able to get online here much for the next month or so, so I also wish you (and everyone reading this) good luck and good hunting, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Your friend,
Oroblanco
 

Roy,

I hope all is well with you and the missus.

"There are many paleontologists and historians who will take issue with some of your statements here amigo".

I expect they would be much too busy laughing to take issue with anything bb says here. That is the very reason he keeps his "discoveries" confined to this Forum. If they were as momentous as he says, he would not waste one second hawking his wares to us. That's also why he says he is leaving and then comes back and bludgeons us with an avalanche of words. He has nowhere else to go.

He said it was all a big joke, he repeats it here........What's the question? I don't know about you, but I keep up the charade with bb for pure entertainment. His obvious intelligence makes him fun to play with. Once you realize it's just a game, you are one step ahead in the score. His real problem lies in the fact that he thinks someone takes him seriously.

He hasn't figured out that we have HIM figured out. I have to agree that his tenacity is amazing. No matter how many people are laughing, he just keeps coming back with a wilder story than the last one. I believe, for him, the end game is to see how long he can spin his fairy tale. To be honest, I am curious as well. I would start a end date pool, but realize that 2012 is just around the corner. :wink:

Take care,

Joe
 

BB,
I have finally figured out why you delete.
The problem is you should consider doing it before you post.

Too much of what you say is in conflict with other statements you make.
Your fuzzy photos are a joke , and if they are the basis by which you have done the research
It becomes a joke as well.
When we call you on it or simply as questions you seem to be not just insulting of all of our intelligence
But the fact that you hold yourself so much intellectually higher than the rest of us.

So far you have not given one single hint of the fact that any of the above assumptions of your intelligence are true, Your insulting manner says just the opposite. I know you don't care.
but understand this...
That not caring attitude projects itself into everything you say, even when you try to cover it up
It doesn't surprise me that Scott denied your Permit.
He probably jumped at the chance.
If you showed him the evidence and the attitude you have shown us.
It would be no wonder.

The only person you can put any real blame on is yourself.
Using your own actions and self presentation
You have proven to us the measure of true intelligence.
savant ? My aunt sarah.
 

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