Oroblanco said:
HOLA amigos,
I remind you that I am not a physicist, nor a mathematician, so am not really the best judge of such theories. I beg your indulgence for this reply.
Blindbowman wrote:
all matter is absolutely stationary unless effected by the 5th element . if matter can not move with out sound it can still grow . if it grows it must cause sound
Hmm I must break this down as it is three separate and distinct statements, which I find that I am in (respectful) disagreement. First,
all matter is absolutely stationary unless effected by the 5th element .
This is based on the assumption that the fifth element exists, and the evidence of science would refute that all matter is absolutely stationary. In fact all molecules are in motion, all of the universe is in motion; the speed of the motion is affected by gravity, magnetism, heat (speeding up) and cold (slowing down) even light has an effect. According to my old physics books (which I cannot reach at the moment) the only way that matter could be absolutely stationary would be if it were cooled to the temperature of absolute zero, which has been virtually impossible to reach even in the best labs.
Next,
if matter can not move with out sound it can still grow
Matter moves without sound all the time amigo - again referring to the universe, all of the stars and planets are in motion, and in the virtual vacuum of space no sound is emitted. Closer to home, take a look at the clouds passing overhead amigo - they make no sound whatsoever even though it is often thousands of tons of water vapor moving at twenty miles per hour or more. The second part of your statement - that matter can still "grow" without making sound, how can matter "grow"? Are you saying that I could take a lump of gold, lay it on the kitchen table and watch it grow? This makes no sense to me - please explain how matter can "grow"?
And the third part;
if it grows it must cause sound
Well this is also quite puzzling amigo, for firstly how can matter grow, and how could the simple act of growth cause sound to be emitted? Sound is the result of vibrations of matter, causing waves of disturbance in the air in a pattern mimicking the vibration of the matter. How could growth cause such sound vibrations to be emitted? I have a little experiment for you to try amigo - mix up a batch of bread dough, making sure to add fresh yeast to the dough. Place the mixed dough in a bowl and set it next to you, then while the dough is growing (rising) see if you can hear any sound being emitted. Place a plastic bottle of water in the freezer, allowing it to freeze solid - and though the water is in fact "growing" (expanding as it freezes) it is unlikely that the action of growth will cause sound, unless the bottle cracks or the ice is too compressed and cracks from the tension. Please explain your statement a little further?
Blindbowman also wrote:
your logical answer is no there is no absolutely stationary...
Then you have a paradox amigo, for you have already said that there is an infinite range of frequencies, and infinite includes zero - so there ought to be particles that are absolutely stationary according to your theory. If there are no particles with zero frequency, then it is not an infinite range of frequencies but a limited set. Then we must define what that set (range) is, from the lowest frequency to the highest.
Blilndbowman also wrote:
i would beleive there are a infinity of dimensions
Wow - have you thought about that and what that would mean? Quite a position you are staking there amigo!
Blindbowman also wrote:
these harmonics are sound yet they effect matter and atomic sub structure where do you draw the line .. i couldnt find any level the 5th element did not effect ..so if sound and light have this cohesion can we rule out the sound dose not become light ...?
Why must the harmonics be sound? Science defines sound as
"
Vibrations transmitted through an elastic solid or a liquid or gas, with frequencies in the approximate range of 20 to 20,000 hertz, capable of being detected by human organs of hearing. b. Transmitted vibrations of any frequency. c. The sensation stimulated in the organs of hearing by such vibrations in the air or other medium. d. Such sensations considered as a group. "
This limits SOUND to a frequency range of 20 hz to 20,000 hertz, vibrations outside these ranges are not considered sound but simply vibrations. As light frequencies run from 3 <x10 14> hz to 15 <x1014> hz the range is simply too far out of the range of sound. Even if you had sound at higher than 20,000 hz, it would be inaudible and technically would not be sound.
On the flip side of this, Alex Bell did some great experiments with light and sound, modulating the sound waves into light pulses making a "photo-phone" which was pretty impressive for his day.
So how does this tie in with your sites amigo? Did you get the idea from one of the sites, or from your research concerning the sites? It seems like you changed the subject rather drastically, and I cannot see the connection to the sites which we had been discussing. Can you clarify this for me? Thank you in advance,
your friend,
Oroblanco
"and the evidence of science would refute that all matter is absolutely stationary"
sad ....now i know you dont want me to answer this question but you ask ...
thats a trick question .. are talking about the effects of the other frist 4 elements moveing atomic matter or are we talking about the matter moveing it self ...? growing or moveing on your own is something diffrent ....yes we are define a paradox . when we say matter can grow and move yet remain still or move by other forces ...so gravity can move a atomic molecule yet the molecule is not moveing under its own power to a diffrent location . not asking if it is moveing by growth of its own size ....thus a the frist 4 element can effect motion on something that is absolutely stationary of its own makeing ...
"the speed of the motion is affected by gravity, magnetism, heat (speeding up) and cold (slowing down) even light has an effect.
you have just listed 4 of the other elements .. see my piont ...
its funny how the 5th element works we dont see it with the eye so we often over look it ..
"the only way that matter could be absolutely stationary would be if it were cooled to the temperature of absolute zero, which has been virtually impossible to reach even in the best labs. "
no if you wanted to have absolutely stationary of atomic matter and the volume around it ,that would work..
with the under standing that even the box that contains the test effects the out come ...so it may only work in thoery...
"again referring to the universe"
the volume of the universe is what is moveing ,not the matter it self under its own causes & effects ...
"they make no sound whatsoever "
that we can hear as humans .. and what is to say the sound they are makeing is not at a magnetic level .. maybe the cloud air mass reacts like a capacitor thus the sound is not released untill it reaches a level that over welms the volume ..creating thunder under the right conditions
"This makes no sense to me - please explain how matter can "grow"?
the 5th element defines all matter grows .. from within .. if you waited for a few million years yes you might be able to messure the growth under the right conditions
look at it this way if matter did not grow it could not exspan ether or contract ...we think of matter of a object as developed ,yet matter is always moveing and growing .. even if we see it as absolutely stationary within a volume .thats what makes this discovery diffrent . it explans what we dont see ...
even if we dont see something it dose not mean that it dosent effect what we do see ..
"and how could the simple act of growth cause sound to be emitted? "
think of the earth being a large cell of atomic matter . dose the earth contract and exspan ,yes . dose it make sound when it dose ... yes ...
atomic matter exspans and contracts when it dose it causes movement in the volume that surounds it , thus friction. the friction is a type of sound that applies to one or more of the fundmental elements
i cant say these 5th element dosent take some time to under stand how it works . its new to me as well . i have never pictured atomic matter in this way being effected by something of this nature, but i never saw it ... because it cant be seen with the naked eye ,and we as humans are to fast to dismiss things we can not see or under stand beyond what we are told we should judge by the opioions of others , it dosent mean those people were right ,,,...lol
"Then you have a paradox amigo,
yes in fact it is a multi paradox , IMHO it reflects the fundmentals of atomic structure
(+) EVEN
(N) nuetronic (+-,-+)
(-) odd
let me ask you a question ...(+-,-+) are these the same (-+,+-) or do they react diffrent to the values around them or to a over all pattern when the order is change...?
i agree but the human life span is not long enough to collect that data ....lol
"Wow - have you thought about that and what that would mean? Quite a position you are staking there amigo!"
yes i did ,and i state that for a few searons ... one if i can think i can reflect back into time ,to a given place in time is one thing yet reacting to others when i am their and haveing them react to causes and effects rules it out as just inner mind illusions .... if we see a gost , it is particals traped time if it can happen to them it must be able to happen to us .. under the right given conditions . but we see them traped in a very small scale of conditions yet look around you here in this reality the conditions are infinity , thus they must be infinity there we just dont see them because of the lemitations of transfer between the two realities when are trying to focus on at the time . when often try to judge effects and events by the local conditions around the effects or events , this lemits our ablities to define these effects and event correctly ...and often lemits our insights beyond our own under standing set forth by the realities of our own nature here in this reality , we just dont have a better under standing of what those other realities are so we often over look hem or fail to relate to them ...
you say remote veiwing . i know i go way beyond that .. because even if dont go back in time dose my mind know that ... lol .. see my piont .. what i see and hear . comes from a related condition that takes place back in time even if i never leave . my mind under stands where is am in the vission and it builds the events as they would take place by logic ...it dose nt mean i have to go back in time to have my mind under stand the conditions of the time and events of the past ..
knowing time and space is reachable in this manner .. there must be a infinity of realies ..way beyond anything we could ever dream of ...note , i will give you a taste of what i am talking about to help you under stand ,, we are standing at the grave site of the nephew . we picture the event of his shoting . we see the sun of the morning day starting . we picture the anger between the two waltz and the jessy,... next thing we know are mind is watching the blood run down jessy's face as he falls . we can be jessy or waltz at any time we wish to ... with the under standing fear will end our vission .. yet only if we fear death or danger .. let your mind build the vission and dirrection it goes . correct it if you know something that dse .. but your mind can tell you what is happpening as well as leting you relive what waltz did back then .. but when conditioned to think like waltz your mind reacts as he did ... it becomes so defind to what tyhe vission is over time , each time you step into the vission you can add more or change it ... thus you see the events with a insight .only waltz and jessy could ever know ...dont under stand the history of waltz .. become one with him and be waltz why the vission is being conditioned to reflect what is known in the hopes of under standing the coditions that took place at the time of the real event thus . you in all prospective relive the event your self ..it dosent matter if you go back in time your mind well never know it any way .. it cant tell the diffrence ..
this is miles beyond the under standing of normal realities .. yet i walk threw time as if it were today ...
i was talking to pythagoras and a few others i dont remember their names right of hand .. but . we was telling me atlas , had been the frist king of atlantis and he showed me a map of atlantis . i told him i know where that is and he stated what he knew a bout the events that had taken pplace back then ...when i said we dont fully under stand how this took place he stated the ocean rive ended at atlantis before it sank . the map he showed me was made from the map of the codex i found and it was to the same scale as the codex .. he lol when he ask how do you know this scale .i lol and said only the smart under stand it ...
see if his map was his or my mind related the two i would not have know the two were related .. but my mind did .. even if i was not conscious of the fact i knew it ,,thus i open a path to the un conscious part of the mind
dirrect your vission to the right time and place and it will open your sub conscious to for fill your vission ... you may know more then you think you do ....lol
Ok, ok... that was rude of me to lump as all together as "a bunch of yahoos," - I'll rephrase that and just call myself a yahoo and anyone who wants to join me please feel free.
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