HOLA amigos,
HOO boy this is going to be a very LONG reply, so I must beg your indulgence once again.
First, a warm
WELCOME Furness to Treasurenet! I know Furness and he is a pretty decent person, and also know that he has been following this thread so did not just "jump in" without having read everything up to this point. He is certainly not an internet 'troll'.
Blindbowman wrote:
"and the evidence of science would refute that all matter is absolutely stationary"
sad ....now i know you dont want me to answer this question but you ask ...
thats a trick question .. are talking about the effects of the other frist 4 elements moveing atomic matter or are we talking about the matter moveing it self ...? growing or moveing on your own is something diffrent ....yes we are define a paradox . when we say matter can grow and move yet remain still or move by other forces ...so gravity can move a atomic molecule yet the molecule is not moveing under its own power to a diffrent location . not asking if it is moveing by growth of its own size ....thus a the frist 4 element can effect motion on something that is absolutely stationary of its own makeing ...
It was certainly not intended as a trick question amigo, and I respectfully disagree about matter "growing". Expansion and contraction due to heat and cold influences, (also due to gravitational influence) yes - but simply "growing" of its own accord, I do not see this as possible. If it were, we would be able to "grow" about any kind of matter without requiring any kind of input of other matter or energy, which is not the case.
Blindbowman also wrote:
"the only way that matter could be absolutely stationary would be if it were cooled to the temperature of absolute zero, which has been virtually impossible to reach even in the best labs. "
no if you wanted to have absolutely stationary of atomic matter and the volume around it ,that would work..
with the under standing that even the box that contains the test effects the out come ...so it may only work in thoery...
Hmm it appears that
perhaps you do not understand the physics of matter amigo - for even contained in a box, the molecules would continue to be vibrating and electrons orbiting. The only thing which can speed up or slow down the orbital motion of molecules is heat and cold, at least as far as I know - and I am not a physicist. Are you saying that enclosing some matter in some kind of container will cause the molecular motion to cease?
Blindbowman also wrote:
"again referring to the universe"
the volume of the universe is what is moveing ,not the matter it self under its own causes & effects ...
"they make no sound whatsoever "
that we can hear as humans .. and what is to say the sound they are makeing is not at a magnetic level .. maybe the cloud air mass reacts like a capacitor thus the sound is not released untill it reaches a level that over welms the volume ..creating thunder under the right conditions
I respectfully disagree here too amigo, matter is what is moving in the universe, volume is a measure. I would also have to respectfully disagree about the second part also, the clouds do not make thunder amigo, thunder is a reactive sound from lightning, as our amigo Real de Tayopa posted above. The clouds themselves do not make audible sounds. If they are making "sounds" at a magnetic level (frequency) then by definition it is not sound but magnetism. I would very much hesitate to attribute some magnetic force to clouds, though they do usually carry quite an electrical (static) charge, as far as I know no magnetic influence is being exhibited.
Blindbowman also wrote:
"This makes no sense to me - please explain how matter can "grow"?
the 5th element defines all matter grows .. from within .. if you waited for a few million years yes you might be able to messure the growth under the right conditions
As mentioned above, I respectfully disagree that matter "grows". Earth has been in existence for billions of years and the only "growth" has been due to 1: - expansion from the heat within, and 2: - accumulation of matter/debris captured from space, such as meteorites, comets etc that fall to the planet. As we know that some 37,000-78,000 tons of space matter is added to Earth each year, our planet is in fact "growing" each year and over time (as in millions of years) the amount is quite considerable. I cannot see how matter could "grow" on its own, this would require that the molecules would be multiplying, like living organisms, and this has never been observed by science. Molecules simply do not multiply on their own.
Blindbowman also wrote:
look at it this way if matter did not grow it could not exspan ether or contract ...we think of matter of a object as developed ,yet matter is always moveing and growing .. even if we see it as absolutely stationary within a volume .thats what makes this discovery diffrent . it explans what we dont see ...
even if we dont see something it dose not mean that it dosent effect what we do see ..
"and how could the simple act of growth cause sound to be emitted? "
think of the earth being a large cell of atomic matter . dose the earth contract and exspan ,yes . dose it make sound when it dose ... yes ...
Why does matter have to GROW in order to expand or contract? Matter can "grow" in one way, that is on a molecular level if we have a chemical reaction with OTHER matter, the molecules can bond with other molecules and become a new (compound) matter, like carbon and oxygen combining to become CO2 but it is not real "growth" because it is simply the addition of matter to matter. The earth makes sound when it expands and contracts - yes - but NOT always, and many many things expand and contract without emitting a sound. Besides, it is not the expansion/contraction that emits the sounds, it is the friction of the rock/earth against other rock/earth.
Blindbowman also wrote:
(+) EVEN
(N) nuetronic (+-,-+)
(-) odd
let me ask you a question ...(+-,-+) are these the same (-+,+-) or do they react diffrent to the values around them or to a over all pattern when the order is change...?
i agree but the human life span is not long enough to collect that data ....lol
I would say that those two examples are made up of similar elements, but are not identical; as they have opposite polarities, it is obvious that they would react differently to values around them, depending on what those values were. Of course if they are purely mathematical values, then they are identical and both negate themselves having no effect on numerical values around them.
Blindbowman also wrote:
you say remote veiwing . i know i go way beyond that <snip>
I use that term (remote viewing) as a term that I have some familiarity with and a basic understanding of, when I use it in describing your own activity, it is only as a descriptive term. I am not sure what sort of psychic activity you are doing, and based on your statements if it were myself, I would have serious doubts about what is being received - for where exactly is the defining line between the real and what could be simply emanations of the subconscious mind - imagination? How do you discern what is real information and what is simply coming from within, rather like a dream?
Blindbowman also wrote:
knowing time and space is reachable in this manner .. there must be a infinity of realies ..way beyond anything we could ever dream of ...note , i will give you a taste of what i am talking about to help you under stand ,, we are standing at the grave site of the nephew . we picture the event of his shoting . we see the sun of the morning day starting . we picture the anger between the two waltz and the jessy,... next thing we know are mind is watching the blood run down jessy's face as he falls . we can be jessy or waltz at any time we wish to ... with the under standing fear will end our vission .. yet only if we fear death or danger .. let your mind build the vission and dirrection it goes . correct it if you know something that dse .. but your mind can tell you what is happpening as well as leting you relive what waltz did back then .. but when conditioned to think like waltz your mind reacts as he did ... it becomes so defind to what tyhe vission is over time , each time you step into the vission you can add more or change it ... thus you see the events with a insight .only waltz and jessy could ever know ...dont under stand the history of waltz .. become one with him and be waltz why the vission is being conditioned to reflect what is known in the hopes of under standing the coditions that took place at the time of the real event thus . you in all prospective relive the event your self ..it dosent matter if you go back in time your mind well never know it any way .. it cant tell the diffrence ..
This is easy to do amigo, but is also extremely easy to mislead one's own self by imagining the past and the events that took place. We can readily put our mind into what we BELIEVE to be the mind of someone like Waltz, but in reality we are imagining and guessing - only Waltz (and if anyone is religious, God) really and truly knew what was in the mind of Jacob Waltz. I could give you an example here but we have already covered (some time ago) the dangers inherent when we proceed from an assumption that very well could be FALSE.
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An aside here to any "newbies" who might be reading our banter - when you are researching any lost treasure, try to think like a crime detective - don't let theories and personal ideas come to out-weigh the evidence you have found. Say someone finds a bloody butcher knife - should we assume that this must be a MURDER weapon, or is it also possible that the knive could have been used for what it was designed for - butchering meat? Stick to what is proven as you proceed in your research and you will find those lost treasures.
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Blindbowman also wrote:
i was talking to pythagoras and a few others i dont remember their names right of hand .. but . we was telling me atlas , had been the frist king of atlantis and he showed me a map of atlantis . i told him i know where that is and he stated what he knew a bout the events that had taken pplace back then ...when i said we dont fully under stand how this took place he stated the ocean rive ended at atlantis before it sank . the map he showed me was made from the map of the codex i found and it was to the same scale as the codex .. he lol when he ask how do you know this scale .i lol and said only the smart under stand it ...
You spoke with Pythagoras? As in, you spoke with him in a previous life, or are you saying that you spoke with him recently? Yes Atlas was said to be the first king of Atlantis, and it is possible that the great Gulf stream actually "shut down" (stopped flowing) when so much ice suddenly melted at the end of the last Ice Age. Saying that you spoke with Pythagoras is a good example of what I mentioned above - for how can you ever be certain that you actually spoke with Pythagoras, and that it was NOT simply an emanation of your own subconscious, silently providing the actor and speech to satisfy your own curiosity? This is where remote viewing does seem to have limits, or at least is into a very GREY area, where there is no way to be sure that what you are experiencing is NOT something coming from within rather than from without.
Blindbowman also wrote:
see if his map was his or my mind related the two i would not have know the two were related .. but my mind did .. even if i was not conscious of the fact i knew it ,,thus i open a path to the un conscious part of the mind
How then can you be SURE that the map, Pythagoras, the conversation etc were NOT all simply products of your own subconscious mind? Did Pythagoras provide you some piece of information that would prove it beyond all doubt?
Blindbowman also wrote:
dirrect your vission to the right time and place and it will open your sub conscious to for fill your vission ... you may know more then you think you do ....lol
Opening the subconscious could be a double-edged sword amigo, for it could well be the source of the information then received, and thus be utterly un-trustworthy as simple products of the imagination. I like to paraphrase an old friend about what I know, that is I know only how little I know. We humans are fairly limited creatures, even compared with the animal kingdom - consider how much information a dog is able to detect from the environment using only its nose, we can only sense the most powerful smells and then only for a few moments before our olfactory nerves are overloaded.
Blindbowman also wrote:
name your sorces ... think again, i took these binary worms to the 186 292 to the speed of light .. i have no idea what your talking about and i dont beleive you do ...lol sorry newbe the even primes do the same thing with the number 2 .. if you dont under stand what this is about just say so ...i am in contact with over 20 people that are trying to work with this discovery and no it has never been found before aug 4th if what you were saying was true the multiables of the prime would go so far and end ,, thats impossble with the patterns i found ...i like this site but every time ,nothing but trolls
"primes are as stated in any maths book an integer that cannot be divided into other integers except by itself or 1 "
no [prohibited word deleted] dick tracy , we are talking about the spaces between the prime numbers ...wow ..i am sick of the trolls and people that dont have a clue you come here and you reply you dont even under stand what the discovery is and you voiceing your negitive opioions about something you dont even under stand .
.. good luck to you Oro , signing off .... wow....
Well amigo as I mentioned above, Furness is a pretty decent and intelligent guy, NOT a troll - and certainly you don't think someone is a troll simply because they might disagree with you about something right? I sure don't, or it would seem that
everyone is a troll to me!

No need to get defensive amigo, not over a disagreement. Besides, if we all were in total agreement, our discussion would get VERY boring fast!
Blindbowman also wrote:
besides i will be takeing off time for a few weeks ... it took almost 15 days to slow my thinking down after the test was over .. the side ffects are not fun and take weeks to get over ....i was sleeping 2-3 hours every 24 ...so my down time is comeing up...i will rest and take some needed RNR
I am glad to hear that you are going to take some time off amigo - heck even a work horse is allowed a rest you know! So your whole new theory here is simply a self-test, and NOT related to the sites in any way? I hate to keep bugging you asking about this but I have failed to see the connection(s). If you like taking self-tests, I could suggest a few that you might enjoy and only take a few minutes of your time. At any rate thank you for your indulgence, enjoy your time off and as always.....
good luck and good hunting to you all amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
your friend,
Oroblanco