The Knights Templar connection to Oak Island Challenge

[DaveVanP]

There is evidence (NOT "proof", mind you) that my family descended from a ******* child of Guillaume D'Asvenes, III Count of Holland ("Guillaume le Bon/Willem de Goed/William the Good"), who was married to Joan of Valois, sister to Philip VI of France, and often called "Father in Law to Europe" as his legitimate children married Edward III of England, Louis IV Holy Roman Emperor, and William V, Duke of Jülich.

The "*******'s" (Johan/Jean van der Poel) mother's name was Trude Boudijnsdottr (de Moor) van der Poule, one of Willy's several mistresses.

Whether Charlemagne is one of his gr-gr-gr+grandpas, I haven't checked...

EDITED - evidently the forum self-censors "objectionable" words... the "*******" above, was automatically inserted in place of the word I used describing an illegitimate offspring with 7 letters that starts with "b" and ends with "d". I do not intend to offend; I've been called that word by others, myself.

 

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[lokiblossom]

Or the Aboriginies of Australia who can produce Munga Man's 42,000 year old skeleton (after they successfully sued to get it back) who was buried using the same practices as currently used. (smoke purification, ochre paint and ash symbols). That's some cultural heritage . . . or signs of real stagnation. ;-)

I believe the statistic is specific to those of "European Descent". But it doesn't hold up for even that. It discounts that royalty tend(ed?) to consider marrying first cousins or aunts as a good family plan.

It is specific to those of "European Descent" but the math shows a much wider spread, several Europeans having children with Native Americans in the 16th century for instance. Or how many early Europeans visited the Middle East and Africa? As for royalty, it only takes one screw up in the early centuries, look at Charlemagne's at least 18 children whom all didn't descend into royalty, any one of which could continue the lineage.

Don't doubt the math Charlie, it becomes overwhelming in the later centuries, lol.

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

It is specific to those of "European Descent" but the math shows a much wider spread, several Europeans having children with Native Americans in the 16th century for instance...

Europeans having children with Native Americans in the 1500's?
You need to site references as to who, and where to make that statement credible.
As for descendants if Charlemagne, you need to present genealogy charts to support that claim, as we all knows numbers can be manipulated by clever mathematicians.
Once again, you have presented useless information that has nothing to so with a connection to Oak Island by these ever popular fun loving band of adventurous traveling Templars.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Lets do the math.

There actually is a statistical exercise called the "geneological paradox" where if you go back only 1,000 years - 35 generations (+/-) - it requires anyone alive today to have had 34,359,738,368 billion (+/-) relatives alive 1,000 years ago. (You had two parents, four grandparents, eight great-grand parents, etc., etc.out to 35 generations). And we can estimate that only 200 to 300 million people were on Earth at 1,000 AD. Lets go with the high estimate of 300,000,000. So the statistician can say, since it requires 114 times more people than were available to have been your ancestors in 1,000 AD you must therefore be related to everyone who was alive at that time. And since Charlemagne was alive around that time you must be related to him as well.

 

[ECS]

... And since Charlemagne was alive around that time you must be related to him as well.

Loki are you attempting to claim descent from Charlemagne son, Pepin the Hunchback?

 

[lokiblossom]

Loki are you attempting to claim descent from Charlemagne son, Pepin the Hunchback?

Charlemagne had at least 18 children. And, btw, so are you!

Hmm, I do have relatives near Ocala, we could be cousins.

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

Not likely, Loki, on both points.
During Charlemagne times the paternal side was, as Diana Jean Muir would call, Norway sea-kings, while the maternal side had just crossed into Eastern Europe from the Steppes.

 

[lokiblossom]

Not likely, Loki, on both points.
During Charlemagne times the paternal side was, as Diana Jean Muir would call, Norway sea-kings, while the maternal side had just crossed into Eastern Europe from the Steppes.

You are using "Muir" for a reference Cuz?

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

You are using "Muir" for a reference Cuz?

Many of her genealogy charts, including the one she did for Scott Wolter, reference Norway sea-kings as ancestors.
I actually have Norway sea-kings ancestry who were Jarls in Leeds England, surname was from where he was from in Norway which has remained the same with minimal Anglo modifications.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

All Europeans are descended from the Eric Bloodaxe of Norway in the same way we are all descended from Charlemagne, and also Sweyn Forkbeard from Denmark.

If you go by pure statistics.

Figures don't lie . . . but liars figure.

 

[ECS]

Don't forget, Thorfinn Skullsplitter Einarsson, 7th Viking Jarl of Orkney

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Pity the paternal genes pass the "Y" chromosome. Otherwise we could look for the "Hooked X" chromosome to trace back and root out the Templars. ;-)

 

[franklin]

I always thought the maternal genes passed the "Y" chromosomes?

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Nope. Males are heterogametic (two types of chromosome) and females are homogametic (one type of chromosome).

And in humans 0.02% are "other". In clones - females can only produce more females.

XX-XY system

In organisms like humans and mammals, the male is the heterogametic sex, producing gametes with either an X or a Y chromosome. All gametes from the female are X. Thus, the sex of the offspring is determined by the class of sperm.

https://www.nature.com/scitable/definition/xx-xy-system-180/

 

[ECS]

It is interesting to note that SINCLAIR BREWING GROUP, direct descendants of Henry Sinclair, named their strongest ale after Skullsplitter Einarsson, but no ale named after Henry Sinclair in honor his alleged voyage to Nova Scotia.
Maybe they hadn't read Dana Jean Muir's Sinclair Journal series of books...
or maybe they know that voyage never occurred.

 

[franklin]

Nope. Males are heterogametic (two types of chromosome) and females are homogametic (one type of chromosome).

And in humans 0.02% are "other". In clones - females can only produce more females.



https://www.nature.com/scitable/definition/xx-xy-system-180/

No wonder there are no more Amazon Women.

 

[franklin]

It is interesting to note that SINCLAIR BREWING GROUP, direct descendants of Henry Sinclair, named their strongest ale after Skullsplitter Einarsson, but no ale named after Henry Sinclair in honor his alleged voyage to Nova Scotia.
Maybe they hadn't read Dana Jean Muir's Sinclair Journal series of books...
or maybe they know that voyage never occurred.

There are a bunch of lakes around the Great Lakes and on Islands named Sinclair or St. Clair.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

79th most popular surname in Scotland. Goes back to the Jurassic Period.

 

[franklin]

Not that popular in Canada or the USA

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

For that matter, "Li" is the most common surname in Canada.

https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_most_common_surnames_in_North_America

But because someone named a lake after Saint Claire (of Assisi) may just mean that Franciscans or Jesuits were hanging about. In fact, Lake St. Clair was named on her feast day in 1679 (look it up). And in the Northern US Saint Clair County, MI, Saint Clair River (Lake Huron/Canada), Saint Clair Shores, MI - all named for her.

And if you go looking for place names in the US and Canada with a Scottish surname you'll have a big list, indeed.