MD Dog
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I think Phipps is referring to post #21 #23
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MD Dog said:I think Phipps is referring to post #21 #23
PhipsFolly said:Please let me be clear that I am not offering the following information to start up more debate on this thread... just wanted to make one more point in support of myself and my finds... it was brought to my attention by one of my best friends that there is a reference in a book about the 1715 Fleet and it supports my emerald find so I decided to post it here.
In the book, "Florida's Golden Galleons" by Robert Burgess & Carl Clausen, on page 152, paragraph 2, there are references to well known treasure hunter Richard MacAllister working the Colored Beach site and I quote, "Paralleling the shore were three wormrock reefs, the shallowest inshore less than a foot from the surface."
PhipsFolly said:Although I am excited to find it, it came up in the same place as all of my previous 1715 Fleet emeralds so it wasn't really a surprise. However, it was nice to find it without having to sift for hours this time!
Thanks for the explanation. It helps explain some contradictions in your statements, that didnt sit right with me.PhipsFolly said:jeff of pa... I noticed that all of the negative comments have been deleted & I appreciate your efforts to clear things up and keep the peace. As I was stating in my last post, I was merely putting in some final info from a friend... info that would help clear up any doubts that may be out there that I did anything unethical or unprofessional in claiming that my emerald finds came from the area I mentioned.
bigcypresshunter... your efforts to display the ebay auction showing an emerald for sale in an attempt to back up skimmers negative posts was not appreciated, but at this point, it really doesn't matter. As for me changing my story several times, I have not done so. I recovered an emerald concreted in a conglomerate with a ships spike in the area of the Jupiter wreck a while back. I also recovered some musketballs and numerous other spikes from the same location. That was an entirely different find (and post) than the emeralds I recovered from the beach in the Colored Beach area.
Out of the kindness of my heart, I relayed the fact that I was finding some emeralds in the area of the "Nieves" wreck... I didn't have to divulge that and regret now that I did. However, unless you know exactly where to look, they are really difficult to find so i'm not too worried. Besides, there have been emeralds found in numerous other areas as I mentioned in previous posts so just go out and hunt... there's treasure all over the place! Just do your "homework" and get to the right place at the right time.
Phips
billinstuart said:I've wondered the same thing. However, geological time is often measured by the depth of a layer or strata from the surface. All the emeralds were deposited 300 years ago, and all would be at the same depth. That conglomerate builds up slowly, so my guess is that you won't find much deeply embedded. Besides, once the "rock" gets too big, wave action won't move it...not enough surface area relative to the mass.
fortunate said:i had sent a thread here to help phips out about the descrepancy of the value of the so called' found' gem. did it get deleted?
what happened to 'free speech'? doesn't apply here?
still think the rock should be qualified by a gemologist as to value and have it posted here with the name of the gemologist..then there would be no more contoversy. want to delete this too?
fortunate....ahh yes, the first amendment...it only applies when the powers that be want it to apply....yes, we are truely free....lol
Yes, RGecy, but finding 2 similar emeralds, embedded in conglomerate in the same manner, on two totally separate beaches, obviously two totally different wrecks, in such a short time period, was incredible luck. In Phipps words, the gods have smiled down on him...RGecy said:Jeff,
I think it is hard to dispute any find along the Treasure Coast (within reason), when who really knows whats out there waiting to be found. Look at the 69 carat emerald found last spring. There was tons of contraband on ships that wrecked up and down the coast, and there most certainly were emeralds being smuggled.
Good luck!
RGecy
Wow, Phipps should give you a percentage. The strain and mine that it came from can be determined. I remember an Emerald found near the Margarita was tested. I will look for the link.AMorgan said:You may be amazed as to what a person would pay for a shipwreck emerald. My experience with gemologists is that they could confirm that it either is or isnt an emerald, determine its clarity and not much else. The fact that this stone is captured in matrix (which could be examined) literally sets its provenance in stone. If the stone is secure in the matrix and not removed, I would say that the value could easily be 10 times the normal going price of a shipwreck emerald of the same color/clarity.
Alan
bigcypresshunter said:Wow, Phipps should give you a percentage. The strain and mine that it came from can be determined. I remember an Emerald found near the Margarita was tested. I will look for the link.AMorgan said:You may be amazed as to what a person would pay for a shipwreck emerald. My experience with gemologists is that they could confirm that it either is or isnt an emerald, determine its clarity and not much else. The fact that this stone is captured in matrix (which could be examined) literally sets its provenance in stone. If the stone is secure in the matrix and not removed, I would say that the value could easily be 10 times the normal going price of a shipwreck emerald of the same color/clarity.
Alan
Science magazine reports that a new method of isotope analysis has revealed the secret origins of emeralds, once seen as a symbol of eternity and power. The method takes advantage of the fact that every mine produces gemstones with a unique oxygen isotope ratio. These gemstone fingerprints have pinpointed the origins of emeralds in historic treasures, which has until this time been a mystery.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s95905.htm