✅ SOLVED Tie pin or dress pin. Thanks to Red-Coat.

[Merf]

TIA. For any help identifying.

 

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[Gene Mean]

The pin is in nice shape, congrats!

 

[Robot]

Hi
It appears to be a Vintage Brooch Pin Bar or Tie Bar?

 

[pepperj]

Hi
It appears to be a Vintage Brooch Pin Bar or Tie Bar?

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Explain how these are same.
I must be seeing it differently than you are.

 

[Red-Coat]

Although the patent date looks like 5:21:10 (in the original pic) it’s actually 6:21:10 (ie 21st June 1910). Patents take their date from the Patents Bulletin (published on Tuesdays, so it has to be June, not May).

It’s Charles Kuehner’s patent (of Cranston, Rhode Island) but it’s a utility patent for a manufacturing improvement not a design patent for the item itself, so may apply to multiple items with different designs and uses. I would think yours is a tie pin or dress pin.

The patent says: “Catch and joint members of the pin may be formed integral with the back plate” and “with the catch member elongated on one side so as to extend over and cover the point of the pin-tongue when the same is bent down and retained in the catch.”

The patent is assigned to his wife, Ottilie Kuehner, who was a major shareholder in the Alkay Jewelry Company of Providence, Rhode Island.

 

[Merf]

Although the patent date looks like 5:21:10 (in the original pic) it’s actually 6:21:10 (ie 21st June 1910). Patents take their date from the Patents Bulletin (published on Tuesdays, so it has to be June, not May).

It’s Charles Kuehner’s patent (of Cranston, Rhode Island) but it’s a utility patent for a manufacturing improvement not a design patent for the item itself, so may apply to multiple items with different designs and uses. I would think yours is a tie pin or dress pin.

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The patent says: “Catch and joint members of the pin may be formed integral with the back plate” and “with the catch member elongated on one side so as to extend over and cover the point of the pin-tongue when the same is bent down and retained in the catch.”

The patent is assigned to his wife, Ottilie Kuehner, who was a major shareholder in the Alkay Jewelry Company of Providence, Rhode Island.

Thank you Red-Coat.. your information is excellent. Much appreciated.

 

[Nathan W]

That’s awesome

 

[BuckleBoy]

Although the patent date looks like 5:21:10 (in the original pic) it’s actually 6:21:10 (ie 21st June 1910). Patents take their date from the Patents Bulletin (published on Tuesdays, so it has to be June, not May).

It’s Charles Kuehner’s patent (of Cranston, Rhode Island) but it’s a utility patent for a manufacturing improvement not a design patent for the item itself, so may apply to multiple items with different designs and uses. I would think yours is a tie pin or dress pin.

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The patent says: “Catch and joint members of the pin may be formed integral with the back plate” and “with the catch member elongated on one side so as to extend over and cover the point of the pin-tongue when the same is bent down and retained in the catch.”

The patent is assigned to his wife, Ottilie Kuehner, who was a major shareholder in the Alkay Jewelry Company of Providence, Rhode Island.

Early safety catch patent. I agree that it’s likely a bar brooch from the neck of a Victorian dress. In that size, perhaps for a child.