Triangle Mystery

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Here's an unusual one! I have no idea what these are!

I found this on Thursday afternoon while hunting a farm site, see below for the details!

"I was hunting around some of the field stones that would have been cast aside by the farmer while he was plowing the field. These stones have been in place for a long time as they were covered by heavy moss. I got a good high tone from the pile and started to flip over the rocks and finally found these silver plated triangular pieces buried underneath one of the stones. These pieces are linked to each other and can be moved around, so it's not a brooch. I have no idea what these were, but there's a lot of detail work on them!"

Thanks,
Dave

 

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[Theakiki]

I tell you I am very intrigued with that (those) piece(s).

If I found it, I'd be scouring research material, probably until it drove me sane!

 

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[Voice of Reason]

Yeah, the "V's" are decorative/ornamental - quite beautiful. The soldered bars are crudely installed - not the work or a craftsman or jeweler (notice the misaligned soldered bar). Perhaps the bars were added to these pieces and are not part of the original design/function.

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Here's an unusual one! I have no idea what these are!

I found this on Thursday afternoon while hunting a farm site, see below for the details!

"I started by hunting around some of the field stones that would've been cast away by the farmer while he was plowing the field. These stones have been in place for a long time as they're covered by heavy moss. I got a good high tone from the pile and started to flip over the rocks and finally found these silver plated or silver washed triangular pieces buried underneath one of the stones. These pieces are linked to each other and can be moved around, so it's not a brooch. I have no idea what these were, but there's a lot of detail work on them!"

Thanks,
Dave

Are they one fastened and the other hung loose from it.

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking Savex?

is there no way to just slide them up to see what it looks like from this position? it looks like the bars will fit into the slots....or the picture is deceiving me.

I don't want to re-post the photo in texastee's reply but consider this:

You have 2 'decorative' v shaped pieces.
You have 2 'non-decorative' pieces welded to join them together.
With the 2 welded pieces arranged parallel it forms a crude 'hinge' to allow movement.
With the decorative faces facing the viewer, both ends of a bandana
or light-weight scarf could be inserted from the back then back through
the front to act as a bolo, so to speak, allowing the triangles to 'hinge'
to the shape of a neck.
So I agree with ANTIQUARIAN's ides of a "Scarf Buckle". With the scarf
in place you would not see the 'non-decorative' pieces.

Just MY opinion........

I appreciate you posting your theory Got_4by4!
So far, this sounds like the most logical explanation of what this might be. If the general consensus here is that it's a Scarf Buckle, then I'll mark this post as solved . . . though I still have my doubts.
Thanks, Dave

I tell you I am very intrigued with that (those) piece(s).

If I found it, I'd be scouring research material, probably until it drove me sane!

This already has drove me insane . . . thanks for reminding me Theakiki!

Yeah, the "V's" are decorative/ornamental - quite beautiful. The soldered bars are crudely installed - not the work or a craftsman or jeweler (notice the misaligned soldered bar). Perhaps the bars were added to these pieces and are not part of the original design/function.

I agree VoR, the bars almost look as if the maker didn't intend for them to be seen.
Maybe that's why this item could be a Scarf Buckle?
Thanks for your post!
Dave

 

[diggemall]

OK, devil's advocate time:

You're a jewelry-maker, and decide to make a diamond-shaped "scarf buckle"........(that's what this one is going to look like ON a scarf, right?)

Why wouldn't you just make a diamond shaped one, with a single cross-bar bisecting the diamond ? To my mind, it would work better that way, too.

Diggem'

 

[diggummup]

Yeah, the "V's" are decorative/ornamental - quite beautiful. The soldered bars are crudely installed - not the work or a craftsman or jeweler (notice the misaligned soldered bar). Perhaps the bars were added to these pieces and are not part of the original design/function.

I agree with you. This was one of the first things I noticed when this post originated. They just don't fit with the piece/s.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I'm still somewhat interested in this item, and have convinced myself that the general design is ...

"1900/1920s Arts & Crafts"

I realize it was found beneath a big pile of field rocks, but I suspect there were still a few rocks that needed removing from the farmer's field during the Arts & Crafts period. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if he added new rocks to the pile every year while plowing.

But how it got under that pile of rocks or what it is, I still don't know. But it sure does look Arts & Crafts to me!

SBB

[ Arts & Crafts Stained Glass Windows ~ With Typical Triangle Shapes ]

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

OK, devil's advocate time:

You're a jewelry-maker, and decide to make a diamond-shaped "scarf buckle"........(that's what this one is going to look like ON a scarf, right?)

Why wouldn't you just make a diamond shaped one, with a single cross-bar bisecting the diamond ? To my mind, it would work better that way, too.

Diggem'

Thanks very much for your help on this Diggem'!
Dave

Yeah, the "V's" are decorative/ornamental - quite beautiful. The soldered bars are crudely installed - not the work or a craftsman or jeweler (notice the misaligned soldered bar). Perhaps the bars were added to these pieces and are not part of the original design/function.

I agree with you. This was one of the first things I noticed when this post originated. They just don't fit with the piece/s.

I agree as well.

I'm still somewhat interested in this item, and have convinced myself that the general design is ...

"1900/1920s Arts & Crafts"

[I realize it was found beneath a big pile of field rocks, but I suspect there were still a few rocks that needed removing from the farmer's field during the Arts & Crafts period. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if he added new rocks to the pile every year while plowing. But how it got under that pile of rocks or what it is, I still don't know. But it sure does look Arts & Crafts to me!

SBB

Arts & Crafts style definitely . . . unfortunately I don't think I'm ever going to figure out what these really are.

Thanks to everyone for your help!
Dave

 

[AKiwi]

We have a lot of 'Art Deco' where I live and this piece certainly looks like the triangles on and around the buildings, and so I think that it would be from this period.
The city was flattened in the 1931 earthquake and rebuilt and so all the remaining buildings of that period are unique for the Art Deco on them.
The city is Napier, Hawke's Bay. NZ (as a matter of interest)

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

We have a lot of 'Art Deco' where I live and this piece certainly looks like the triangles on and around the buildings, and so I think that it would be from this period.
The city was flattened in the 1931 earthquake and rebuilt and so all the remaining buildings of that period are unique for the Art Deco on them.
The city is Napier, Hawke's Bay. NZ (as a matter of interest)

Cheers mate! I appreciate all the information about your hometown, looks like a beautiful place!
I'd love to try this golf course one day! But with my slice, I'd probably lose all my balls in the ocean!

Happy hunting Kiwi,
Dave

 

[Retired Sarge]

I am begining to wonder if these started out as "V" for Victory pins, and somebody just added two together for kicks and grins. The one has obviously been resoldered from the looks.

Google "Victory Pin" and look at the images, there are lots of variations, some plain, some fancy etc.

Mike
USAF Retired

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Mike ~

Good job! I think you may be onto something. There are more types of Victory pins on the internet than I can count. Here's one from WWI that measures 2" tall x 1.5" wide.

SBB

[ Circa 1918 ]

 

[degoldn1]

These two pieces fold back to back and in the facing inlaid rhinestones and it attached to a hand bag of some sort. You can tell by the way of each end where the wire attaches, one soldered at an angle, one high and the other end low and the opposite with the other piece. Then they fold back and create a v shape where a leather strap holds the wires to both triangles together and walla you have a tassel decoration for a lady's hand bag.

Happy Hunting,

Degoln1

 

[AKiwi]

I think degoldn1, has hit it on the head. I was thinking along the same lines sorta and then the memory went sideways.......

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

I am begining to wonder if these started out as "V" for Victory pins, and somebody just added two together for kicks and grins. The one has obviously been resoldered from the looks.

Google "Victory Pin" and look at the images, there are lots of variations, some plain, some fancy etc.

Mike
USAF Retired

Thanks very much for your suggestion Mike, it certainly sound plausible!
I'll post some recent pics at the bottom of this post.

Thanks again and best of luck to you,
Dave

Mike ~

Good job! I think you may be onto something. There are more types of Victory pins on the internet than I can count. Here's one from WWI that measures 2" tall x 1.5" wide.

SBB

The size of the 'Victory Pins' shown certainly matches the ones I have pictured! But why go to all the trouble to 'disassemble the 'V's' from a badge and then solder them together?

Thanks again for posting your idea Bob,
Dave

These two pieces fold back to back and in the facing inlaid rhinestones and it attached to a hand bag of some sort. You can tell by the way of each end where the wire attaches, one soldered at an angle, one high and the other end low and the opposite with the other piece. Then they fold back and create a v shape where a leather strap holds the wires to both triangles together and walla you have a tassel decoration for a lady's hand bag.

Happy Hunting,

Degoln1

Wow! Thank you very much for this degoldn!
Here are some 'updated' pics of the pieces for further study, although your suggestion makes good sense!

Best of luck to you,
Dave

I think degoldn1, has hit it on the head. I was thinking along the same lines sorta and then the memory went sideways.......

Thanks very much for your post Kiwi!
The weatherman is calling for 2 - 4cms of snow here this weekend , keep cool 'down under' mate!

Dave

 

[cudamark]

I was also thinking that the round bars were probably hidden so that makes me wonder if they were used in an award necklace where there was a ribbon end attached to each bar.

 

[Steve Ia]

Of the pictures you have posted so far, the 2nd picture down in post #12 looks like the most likely configuration to me. I also thought if the two bars were were together like this, such as sewed inside of a seam, would it act like a hinge?

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

I was also thinking that the round bars were probably hidden so that makes me wonder if they were used in an award necklace where there was a ribbon end attached to each bar.

That would certainly make sense, but why are they linked together for eternity?
Thanks for your ideas cudamark!
Dave

Of the pictures you have posted so far, the 2nd picture down in post #12 looks like the most likely configuration to me. I also thought if the two bars were together like this, such as sewed inside of a seam, would it act like a hinge?

A great suggestion Steve, though I still don't believe this was their original function. The 'real question' in my mind is . . . how the heck did they come to be under that rock on the farm anyway!

Thanks for your post Steve,
Dave

 

[cudamark]

If they weren't linked together, they would need a clasp or the necklace would fall off.

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

If they weren't linked together, they would need a clasp or the necklace would fall off.

It certainly sounds possible, I'm just having trouble figuring out how that might work.
Thanks for your post cudamark,
Dave

 

[cudamark]

Maybe tie a flat shoe lace on it and see how it hangs. Or some Christmas ribbon, if you have some.