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I did some research on my local town and found some information on one of the original lumber mills. The lumber mill was constructed at the turn of the century and burned down in 1916. The location of the mill has been undeveloped and is currently a county park / wetlands. This was my first historic md adventure, as previously I was doing only the community park, so I was rather excited.

Before I actually started detecting, I hiked around the area and identifed three sets of foundation type material as well as some brick piles. I figured I would hit these places the hardest and hope for the best.

As soon as I turned my detector on, it was going crazy with iron hits, no matter where I went. My guess is since it was a typical wood and brick building of that era, the place was littered with rotted sheet metal, nails, and screws.

I spent a little over 5 hours there of straight MDing but ending up not finding any valuable relics of coins. I did find:

- large iron I-Beam dated 1890 from an Illinois Steel Mill
- two smaller thick iron objects that were shaped like boomerangs (but larger)
- lots of sheetmetal
- lots of nails and screws

In the end, though it was fun to explore the old mill, I have to say I was a bit frustrated and disappointed with the experience for two main reasons.

1. The only things that rung up consistent tones on my detector were large iron objects and they weren't being detected as iron.

2. The place was littered with inconsistent (ring once every 5 sweeps) and variable tones (ring high sweeping left, right low sweeping right). Also lots of feint scratching.

3. Many of the times when i attempted to dig said inconsistent / variable tones, I ended up losing the tone completely. It was almost as if the tone existed in the dirt formation, but once I disturbed the formation, the tone was gone.

4. The entire area was covered with flattened long grass and leaves, meaning prior to cleaning an area of said plant carcasses, my sweeps were already 3-4 inches off the ground.

I was using my Fisher F2 w/ the 8" coil at full sensitivity and iron discriminated (as mentioned before).

Questions for the experts:

1. In an area like this where you are forced to sweep 3-4 inches off the ground, is it pretty much futile to attempt it with a entry level model like the Fisher F2 due to its limited depth?

2. When you find your valuable silver and coins in amongst iron junk like this area, what kind of VDI numbers and tone does it give? How much does it vary depending on depth?

3. What causes the inconsistent and variable responses. Is that an object that is too deep for the detector to handle or is it soil formation creating a false signal of some sort.
 
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Not a expert, But Here goes.
The most favorable detecting ground is clean,flat, low ground (or no) ground foliage for any detector.

Big Iorn is always a problem and can mask many good signals even in Iorn discremenation mode.

Inconsistent signals can be high ground minerals, or detector sensetivity set to high. I have seen some Iorn lids, and flat pieces, Cola bottle caps, or iorn ring signals disapper when disturbed from the soil. square Nails and Iorn with sharply angled edges will also cause this. Even with Iorn turned off.
When you get a coin though there is little mistakeing it once you have heard it as consitent and pinpointed it for size.
Fun aint it ;D ;D ;D
 
Ohh and welcome to the Forum and the addiction, when you dig that first keeper you will be hooked.
I hunted 8 hrs this weekend, My top find was a little silver catholic pendent (that I then lost) and some clad coins, a couple bucks worth. (I did get a half dollar coin) about 3 wheat pennies, a old thimble. Lots of Big time old Junque.
But it was better than fishing and my daughter went with me so it was a great time. (She thought it was funny because it looks like we found a shade tree mechanics tree)
Sounds like your off to a good start and I'v seen some unbelivable beginers luck here, but EVERYONE I've seen stick with it have made some oustanding finds in a yrs time.
 
Thanks to both for the welcome. The F2 comes with a 4" coil, so perhaps on my second attempt at the area i'll give it a try as well as bring a shove and clear out small areas at a time. Though labor intensive, perhaps it will be worthwhile to clean our the iron as well.
 
To extend the topic, in a situation like this, would a more expensive detector make things easier? Or in other words, how hampered am I by the fact I'm using a $200 detector?
 
TEXAN Connection said:
Not a expert, But Here goes.
The most favorable detecting ground is clean,flat, low ground (or no) ground foliage for any detector.

Big Iorn is always a problem and can mask many good signals even in Iorn discremenation mode.

Inconsistent signals can be high ground minerals, or detector sensetivity set to high. I have seen some Iorn lids, and flat pieces, Cola bottle caps, or iorn ring signals disapper when disturbed from the soil. square Nails and Iorn with sharply angled edges will also cause this. Even with Iorn turned off.
When you get a coin though there is little mistakeing it once you have heard it as consitent and pinpointed it for size.
Fun aint it ;D ;D ;D

Seattle,
I first of all want to say welcome to the forum.
I would have to agree with Texan on the sensitivity, you more than likely had it way to high.
I would only back it down as far as you had to. In other words just keep turning it down till the sporatic signals dissappear.

I would highly recommend going back to your site and trying again.

Best of fortune to you.
Rob
 
plehbah said:
A small coil can work wonders. Also , consider this difficult environment to be a chance to become very proficient with your machine.

i agree ....if you start finding goodies at a spot like this just think how easy you will find them in a less trashy area.

also you may want to check with the county and possibly back your truck up there and throw all of that iron and tin in the truck and haul it off to the scrap yard......tell the county you just want to clean it up for them
 
Marty-Graw said:
plehbah said:
A small coil can work wonders. Also , consider this difficult environment to be a chance to become very proficient with your machine.

i agree ....if you start finding goodies at a spot like this just think how easy you will find them in a less trashy area.

also you may want to check with the county and possibly back your truck up there and throw all of that iron and tin in the truck and haul it off to the scrap yard......tell the county you just want to clean it up for them

Unfortunately the area is completely overgrown since it burned down with 40-50 year old trees so I'd be walking anything out that I got. I would be curious to see the county's interest in the scrap metal though - there was a large amount of it.
 
SeattleMD,
Welcome to the TN forum and happy new year.
In reading your post and the replies I agree that you need to go to a smaller coil and lighten up on the sensitivity. Even when there is not scrap iron in the ground if your unit chatters a lot and gives false singnals then you have the power too high.
You also mentioned that the place burned down. Charcol can be a killer along with all the melted or partially melted metal and drippings. The place you are hunting has had enough time for the charcol to mellow out, but especially with a recent burn you can have trouble and in such conditions you need to switch to a smaller coil and play with the sensitivity.
Also, if you are up in the Seattle area and detecting in King county you need to contact the county and obtain a detecting permit to hunt on county property. The last one I had up there was apx 1999 and I think it cost 12 bucks a year at that time. You should laminate the permit and carry it with you when you hunt on county property or parks. The nice thing about King county is that they allow detecting on their property, except in certain areas. I think they list the excluded areas. The down side is, don't be packing around a shovel or they might freak out and take your permit away. They limit the size of your digging tool. Can't remember what size, but it's small, like a screwdriver. I used a 1 1/2 inch wide digging tool and never had a problem.
Since it sounds like you may be new to detecting here is a link to some info that may help you out. Happy New Year and Happy Hunting. Highwater

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,120170.0.html
 
seattleMD said:
Thanks to both for the welcome. The F2 comes with a 4" coil, so perhaps on my second attempt at the area i'll give it a try as well as bring a shove and clear out small areas at a time. Though labor intensive, perhaps it will be worthwhile to clean our the iron as well.

Take a weed wacker, too. ;D
 

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