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Tumacacori Mission Mines RE: Sister Micaela Molina Document

Hey Everyone,I am a newbee- I have been reading the post- And Enjoy allot of them.
I Was down in the area in 2005 and although dont Know much about the mine of Tumaaccori, but am confused about the location of the 1st mission.

We went to the current mission where the tummaccori now is and curators (which we believed to be historians, told us the original mission was to the south and not the East. The post here say its at the mine site. Not sure who is correct.
Notice allot of contoversy here on this forum-
It would be a cool thing if everyone really try to decipher Facts from fiction - To See what is real and whats not.
For instance not questioning the location of the mine and Cool Map by the way. I enjoy the picture of the cross on the cliff side-. But am wondering If that was an origional Marker, or did someone else put it there before the person who took the picture ever located the area for The 1st time.

Although it does seem to Fit the description of the much contriversial Molina document post on here which I took the liberty of copy and pasting into the online translation website Known as Babelfish.
Here is what I got back

Redotero - year MDXCVIII - MDCLVIII - this Redotero belongs to Temacacury: the Mine of Temacacury called Vigen d. Guadalupe. This one legua medina comensando of the Greater door from the Temple to Mr. and of water of San Roman measures to Left-hand side M. eight hundred Vrs to the N. and like CCDTD vrs. before arriving at the mine macada with chisel with these marks below the stone is a black stone (picture of inscription) of this the Treasure this means the letters, and like a XX. - Vrs of the Stone advanced, this a small monument course to Mr. the P.te of the Mine there are two peaks that were derrunbados on the Mine without but avada that put the Powder in splits of stones, I am hueya erased for always happening through over stones is not known where - this east place within the Mine this a patio that measures L. Vrs in picture and this place this the Treasure of our Missions. In the middle of " " this the mouth of the Mine inside and outside I am the Treasure: MMDCL estan. Crgs. of Sealed silver and DCCCCV. of gold and silver that are XL. million. the gold was traido of the Siera de Guachapa of sercanias of Tubaca: you follow adalante in the same direcion of the South.) Like a III. Leguas of the Mine of nestra Mrs of Guadalupe is I. Port that is called of the Janos course to the S. of leaves I here. I coil and ends to the River of Sta. Cross, the Mine this to sinestra of the Port under the Port there is XII. Drays and XII. Patios. The mine has I. three Barrel of cientas Vrs. of length and the barrel it has the name of the Puricima Conception you burden, with chisel the Barrel runs to the N. and XX. Vrs. it has I. Tonelito of one hundred Varas, to the PTE the metal is yellow metal that has mita of silver and fifth part of gold are seniceros fifty Vrs. of the door from the Mine to the course of the N. encontranron plates of virgin silver from a pound hata V.@s this Mine this woman who hides herself with mantel with a copper door has enormas large doorknockers this copper was traido of the Mountain range of Guachapa of cercanillas of fused Tubaca and in Toma= =cacury and has taken the Prta. In I. Dray, with You dent to the Mine. Year MDXLVIII. work and I cover myself in - MDCXLVIII as it marks the book of the work of the mission. Of the Mine of the Purima Conception to Mine d. Nera. Mrs of Guadalupe is III. leguas like a mita of way a. the same direction this the called Mine of the Opates - this has I barrel of cuatro= =cinetas Vrs. and to the S. in the same direction the metals are calichosos and from trescietas Vrs. it cut with cajadora and of the mouth of the Mine it runs u. very long table for the exit of the Sun next to the PTE. very great Gun is I. and has a large drill mark. Qu. It has average Vra. of ondura alongside stopping itself of the South. The mark is seen the other side of the gun course to the N. of this mark is I. Legua to the Mine of Opates de Tomacacury. this mak. for PTE. to the other side of the Mountain range this the mine of Ntra. Mrs of Guadpe this marking by P.S. R. the XII of the month of Dcbr. of MDXVIII. Eta was allada Mine by mine

By the way we found old ruins south of current mission on east side of santa cruz river along the banks, dont know if this was related. thought it to be a gravesite but not sure.

Any Friendly advice or collaborative effort on here about more about -mines true entrance would be nice to see. Instead of Arguments - Perhaps this forum could reveal the truth to the world- For Historical value- I know we would like to have all the Bullion, But Do you honestly think that ione or 2 people could spend it all-

P.S. Well Versed on Dangers Of finding a big Treasure, but what If It Were Found By a large group Of people. Like in This Forum

i. am sure to get a few bad replies I know, But I like most people would like to Know the True Story
and I am well aware there are alot of Mines in The area.

Thanks For Letting Me Post

Treasure Seeker1312- Only Seeking The truth.
I hope you’re still around. I am a dowser on television a few times I need somebody in the area with an ATV that I can trust contact me
 
Treasure Seeker wrote


Hmm that doesn't exactly sound like the site of the Guevavi mission.

Treasure Seeker also wrote


Well to compare, the coordinates for the Guevavi mission are 31° 24' 36" North, 110° 54' 6" West so must not be the same site. However without some kinds of artifacts, it is not that easy to ID a set of ruins AS a mission, they could just be ruins of adobe buildings which were homes.



I have to respectfully disagree, as we have argued this extensively on another thread it is not necessary to continue it here. I suggest you read the many posts in that thread, which may help you decide whether it is worth your time to pursue. Here is the link;
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,286969.0.html
The very fact that the Spanish authorities did do extensive searches for Jesuit treasures is an indicator that the authorities were convinced the treasures did exist. Also, according to the newspaper account Joe posted, the Tumacacori treasure was found and recovered by a Jesuit priest, and this is not the only report of treasures being recovered from Jesuit missions in the Americas. I do agree with Joe however, do your own research into this if you are serious about searching for treasure.

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek. :thumbsup:
Oroblanco

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All I need is to get to the area and I can show you exactly where it’s at. I need somebody I can trust and somebody’s got an ATV side-by-side contact me.
 
For those who want to know how the region of the Virgin of Guadalupe of Tumacacori mine looks like. It's in the center of the symbol's circle.
 

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Hello MD, Crow, Ryano, SDCFIA, and many of you other posters here on T-Net.

I seriously think you all would get a lot out of going to the Altamont, Utah gathering on the 23 & 24th of August in three weeks from today. You will get a better understanding of the area you portray on your various maps if you came. Go to Terry Carter Treasure Hunter on YouTube and see some of the people who will be there. I know Terry personally and I know all of the organizers who put this production on. I have met with many people and it would be worth your while to come.

Just my 2 cents.

Bests In Treasure

LUE-Hawn
 
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Hello,
I have lived in Tucson since 1980 when I got stationed here in the Air Force. I am a metal detectorist as well. I have located some of the mines in the hills of Tumacacori. Is there something I can help you with?
 
I hope you’re still around. I am a dowser on television a few times I need somebody in the area with an ATV that I can trust contact me
This is what I found everyone is looking in wrong mountain range
 

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Hello Mike

It has been about five hundred years since the Spanish reached this part of the world and there were Romans and Israelites in this country before that, which is verified by the lead crosses dug up on Silver Bell road, north-west of Tucson and many other discoveries. Languages are borrowing from each other all the time. Then again you may be right the fugitive may have had the lady use names they were familiar with, from the Tucson area, to camouflage the two Spanish words that identify the characteristics of what goes through that Indian temple, honored and respected by many Indian tribes. The fugitive may well have hid things in names that reflected or sounded like the real things. My ranches consist of thousands of acres they would cover more than what is called the Tumacacori mission place, and it is not even close to what was originally, called the Santa Cruz River, the Santa Maria River now is called the Santa Cruz River, the river on my place is the original Santa Cruz River. People tend to get fixated around places that have been set up as decoys.

The fugitive had some previous associates who had the government surveyors trying to get to the mines, who heavily surveyed a whole mountain range that was well over a hundred miles long. When the US government took the southwest the action behind that move, was intelligence they had, that came through the Jesuit Priests and those who tutored our founding fathers under cover, who had infiltrated the Free Masons to gain the southwest so they could have possession of things, they originally had. My ancestor eight generations back quit being a Jesuit Priest, due to the betrayal of the pope and the actions of king Carlos the third. His superior in the Jesuit Order was called a doctor that carved coded messages in stone all across the southwest. Five of such recordings have been found in the Oakland bay area by San Francisco they are in Idaho Nevada Utah Arizona and New Mexico, they personally knew where the Aztecs buried treasures and they buried there stuff less than two hundred miles away, there are records from Mexico city to Canada that identify the roads that the Jesuits carried their treasures to a sacred sight, on.

These Jesuits are the real intellectual fathers that laid the groundwork for the establishment of our constituted republic. My own ancestor and his superior spent a lot of time across the eastern coast and into Canada preparing the colonies to be free from European domination, where they had previously failed in New Spain they succeeded in New England. But by the time that happened the paths of the Jesuits and their Missions had been covered with dust, and lost. If the Tucson area had been the center of their mines and treasure house, the US Government would have taken all of Chihuahua and Sonora. The present day border between the US and Mexico ended all questions in their mind of the more important places of interest. The US government sent surveyors to the southwest under the leadership of those who were looking for the mines. John Wesley Powel when surveying the Grand Canyon area, had containers of mercury in his trunks and had spent a lot of time with the Hopis and others in looking for the mines, that is whey three of his men were killed by Whites not Indians. The fugitive looked in his trunks and saw the mercury before he explored the Grand Canyon, and that information was leaked to the whites that killed three of his surveying crew, they believed that he would continue and broaden his range of searching. The slag from the smelters around Tucson caught the US Army's attention, while the slag from the sacred mines were ground and dumped into the correct Santa Cruz River, and the reason that was not done by Tucson, was because they did not really have anything in that area they were worried about hiding. There are a lot of records in history that tie in with the Jesuit mines, which have not even started to be recognized today by the ignorant masses of people.

According to one record three scouts were sent out in the mid 1800s to explore an area. While they were going along a line of cliffs, they made camp and during the night they were attacked by some Indians, one was killed, the other two escaped with one horse and spent days wandering and came across the place they described as thinking it was rocks covering an Indian storage pit, which were the rocks that covered the middle of the patio that was fifty Varas square between two peaks. When they got inside they could see it was full of religious treasures. The powder that was placed between the rock and over them, after a period of time had settled between the cracks in the rocks, which left it obvious as a concealed place. Before they got back to civilization one of them had died and the other one was found by nicer Indians and taken to a white-mans community half delirious. The man searched the rest of his life to find the place again and never did, but later some Indians showed the fugitive where the place was. If I hadn't had a background in a lot of history, but not treasure history, I could not have recognized the bigger picture. For certain things to come underneath my knowledge is remarkable in itself.

There is a religious leader that is a brake off from a religion that has been around for about fifty years. He came to me and wanted me to show him where the mines were and turn them over to him, saying that his people were the only ones that taught and kept the commandments of god, and that he figured I was like a modern Cyprus who could turn treasure over to him, as the old Cyprus gave treasures back to Israel that had been taken from them. I nicely told the man that if god could tell him where the main sacred mine was, and if he could show me where I had discovered this sacred mine, then I would consider his request. Otherwise I was not going to jeopardize what I had found, to be taken over by a corrupt society. This man knows that I have found the Jerusalem described by Ezekiel, along with what is left of Solomon's temple.

If the people cant see world history strait, they are not very likely to see the documents that are scattered across the Americas, strait. The honorable Jesuit Society, before most of them sold out to world powers, had the intelligence to hide things to where only the honest mind could crack their codes, unless someone stumbled onto it by accident. Or where some of the Spaniards tortured and killed Indians, and a Chief's own child, to learn the whereabouts of the mines. That would be one reason why the Indians rallied their neighbors, and continually destroyed Mexican minors, trying to open the mines, and that is why a few Whites allied with some Indians and butchered a bunch of Whites (who were allying with Spaniards) to protect the place.

So the fugitive with a lady friend tried to follow the path that some honorable Jesuits followed.

The Jesuits history (the Jesus Society) is imbedded in my blood.

This is my way of answering your request.

I would love to tell you where that ranch is, and maybe someday I can, but I am not going to mislead anybody to the best of my ability, but by my experience those who put truth ahead of their appetites can be blessed by the works of those who were trying to be saints of god and sacrificed for what is in the mines of Guadalupe. Those who resurrect the embodiments of the Mosaic and Christian laws, as our constitution was based upon, can have the blessings of what is in them mines. That is why the Jesuits worked with the New England States after they had failed in New Spain. There is no shortcut to having freedom, without applying the laws that give the righteous freedom. You keep them laws and you can show me where my ranch is.

Your friend R.W.L.J

P.S. thank you for what you have done with your website. As you share more with others (on this subject) I will share more with you. If someone still has any of the Dutchman's gold, I am sure the gold I have would be a match. I would sure furnish a nugget for testing. I want to help those who want to put truth and good government first. I don’t consider I am one hundred percent right on everything, I don’t have all the facts of what went on. But if I didn't have more facts than some of these treasure hunters have on these topics, I would consider selling my ranch and retiring and joining them. But on second thought I am not cut out that way.
 

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