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Important wars were/are not always conducted and decided on the battlefield.
Reb,
With all do respects, I beleive that the 2nd War for Independence was financed by Stephen Girard, in around 1812. But I agree looking at those rich folk will get people on the right track. Also I like military records, you can find alot with them.
HH Tatty
NAW, 2nd War for Independence WAS the CONFEDERATE WAR (aka Civil War); NOTHING to do with War of 1812. "Google" OTHER names for the Civil War; another name I came across was Second American Revolution. GB (Great Britain) "sided" with the CSA, against the USA; & provided BRIT "loans" & wanted LOTS of cotton, which the NORTH had very little of.
Just exactly who was fighting in the name of "Independence" in that war? The slave states?
LOL! It was a STATE RIGHTS thing! SOUTHERN states didn't have the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION of NORTHERN STATES... "Freeing the slaves" came LATER in the CONFEDERATE WAR.
You said, the Confederate War was the 2nd war of Independence. So I asked, for who & how so? Actually, slavery became an issue way, way before the Civil War. Thomas Hart Benton even predicted the slave industry/issue becoming a major political component after the Adam's Onis Treaty was signed, and he was correct. Why did he know this? He knew this because A) he understood the economic value and importance of it, and, B) he knew many of the driving forces that were going to make it a political issue at every chance. The slave rebellion in Hati was just the first stone cast into the water, many could see the writing on the wall after this.
I have thought all along that it was a type of over-lay. But first I studied the prominent features of the valley to try to get a feel for what Beale was looking at. Most of my time walking the valley was done before the age of storage tanks, summer homes and subdivisions. The hardest part is locating the beginning point. Is it the chimney? A corner of the frame residence of Henry Buford? A corner of the mill which is constructed of stone and more durable? Or I suspect, a position on a survey of Buford's property - the original Patent or some survey as he acquired additions? Or the dower allotment? I thought someone said that the figures had been deciphered in 2001. If so, why no showing of progress or results? I have not seen any. Monroe35
If yer going by the "story", Buford's was THEN, "existing"; MY guess is that Buford's was the "starting" point, of which ONLY the chimney still remain... BUT! NOT for sure... COULD be Poplar Forest, Lynchburg, Va. (by 1885). Will look for "pic" of chimney (today's time).
Gotta do MORE R & I on Goose Creek; how it lays NORTH & SOUTH... I know MORE about Goose Creek SOUTH, than I do GC North. HA! Reason being that wife & I once lived near Goose Creek SOUTH, near OLD Moneta, Va. (Smith Mountain Lake "area")... AND! I DID find "carvings" on a boulder next to the creek... BUT! Didn't "fit" in the "BT" story, so NEVER "followed up". DANG!
Any fish in those creeks anymore?
Report from SOUTH Goose Creek... NOPE.
Note "had always been believed to be from Beale's iron box", and they were given the torn slip of numbers covered paper, but not the "iron box" by the Otey family.... She said the papers were given to her and her husband by a family living in Roanoke, Va, and that they were old and had always been believed to be from Beale's iron box...