unknown crossed swords and bomb button. help

[CKaufman]

found this here in NC. cant find it anywhere on the web. any help would be great. the back is iron, any maker marks long gone. and yes it is dug.

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[vayank54]

Can you post a clearer pic and also a pic of the back. I don't think I've ever seen one like that. If it has shank it is a button is is has wires it went on the side of a hat. It reminds me of the Span-Am hat buttons but can't say for sure. We really need to see the back on this one.

 

[Woodland Detectors]

Man, that sure would be nice if you could take good clear photo of the back of that thing. Or, write us back what it reads.
Is that a dug button?
Pretty clean

 

[CRUSADER]

collar stud or button? Has it a loop on reverse or screw thread?

 

[AU24K]

The only pins that I'm aware of with a "bomb" are for ordnance...Not sure about the sabers. Sabers are the symbol for calvary.

Scott

 

[CKaufman]

collar stud or button? Has it a loop on reverse or screw thread?

It has a loop on the back but it broke off as I was cleaning it. the back is made of iron.

 

[CRUSADER]

collar stud or button? Has it a loop on reverse or screw thread?

It has a loop on the back but it broke off as I was cleaning it. the back is made of iron.

Which makes it post 1900. Looks kinda WWI to me

 

[CKaufman]

collar stud or button? Has it a loop on reverse or screw thread?

It has a loop on the back but it broke off as I was cleaning it. the back is made of iron.

Which makes it post 1900. Looks kinda WWI to me

but weren't some civil war confederate buttons iron-backed?

 

[Breezie]

Man, that sure would be nice if you could take good clear photo of the back of that thing. Or, write us back what it reads.
Is that a dug button?
Pretty clean

M & M, is the pic you posted his button? If so, my WAG is 1851 Calvary. Nice find! Breezie

 

[Breezie]

collar stud or button? Has it a loop on reverse or screw thread?

It has a loop on the back but it broke off as I was cleaning it. the back is made of iron.

Which makes it post 1900. Looks kinda WWI to me

but weren't some civil war confederate buttons iron-backed?

Yes, there were CW buttons with iron backs. Look at button #6 on this link:
http://www.midtenrelics.com/buttons.htm

Breezie

 

[geo4472]

maybe its a vintage batman button







just kiddin lol

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I dont think Ive ever seen the Calvary crossed sabres and the Artillery bomb together. It reminds me of French Marine Artillery with the bomb on top.
http://collectionboutonsempire.e-monsite.com/album-cat-1-97188.html

Many iron backed buttons are civilian but it may be TIB.
http://www.vintagebuttons.net/shanks.html

Here are various tinned iron back buttons (TIB), some are uniform and some are political types. This is an older metal button back (antique era pre-1918 est.). Japanning (paint) was also used to stop the cheaply made thin iron backs from rusting although many buttons are found without the paint which was fired on but did not adhere well to the button back. Many "victorian" type fancy buttons have this type of back.



Backs of work clothing or overall buttons c. 1910-1930. Some had japanned (painted) backs originally but it's usually worn off. Cheaply made tin backs some with "floppy" thin wire shanks and others with a "riveted" (stud type) back. Those types were permanently affixed to clothing (usually overalls).

 

[CKaufman]

I dont think Ive ever seen the Calvary crossed sabres and the Artillery bomb together. It reminds me of French Marine Artillery with the bomb on top.

http://collectionboutonsempire.e-monsite.com/album-cat-1-97188.html

Many iron backed buttons are civilian but it may be TIB.
http://www.vintagebuttons.net/shanks.html


Here are various tinned iron back buttons (TIB), some are uniform and some are political types. This is an older metal button back (antique era pre-1918 est.). Japanning (paint) was also used to stop the cheaply made thin iron backs from rusting although many buttons are found without the paint which was fired on but did not adhere well to the button back. Many "victorian" type fancy buttons have this type of back.

that's what I thought at first was french, but it was dug in my front yard in asheboro, nc @ 5 or so inches deep. could it have been a ww1 or ww2 souvenier brought back and lost later on by a kid playing war? i dunno. just a thought.


Backs of work clothing or overall buttons c. 1910-1930. Some had japanned (painted) backs originally but it's usually worn off. Cheaply made tin backs some with "floppy" thin wire shanks and others with a "riveted" (stud type) back. Those types were permanently affixed to clothing (usually overalls).

thats

 

[geo4472]

i think it is a cannoneer's button they were attached to the calvary hence the crossed sabers

 

[vayank54]

As far as I know all civil war period military buttons that had tin backs had brass or copper shanks. The small patriotic type buttons did have iron shanks though.
On the button posted, was the shank a seperate piece inserted in the back or was it a hump in the back with a hole through it? Either way it's more than likely post 1900 and if it had the hump (selfshank) it is more than likely a blazer button made to look military.

 

[creskol]

As far as I know all civil war period military buttons that had tin backs had brass or copper shanks. The small patriotic type buttons did have iron shanks though.
On the button posted, was the shank a seperate piece inserted in the back or was it a hump in the back with a hole through it? Either way it's more than likely post 1900 and if it had the hump (selfshank) it is more than likely a blazer button made to look military.

I agree with your assessment, Vayank .. I wonder if it could be a military school button of some sort??

 

[vayank54]

Thanks creskol It's possible it could be from a miltiary school. I hadn't thought of that

 

[CKaufman]

As far as I know all civil war period military buttons that had tin backs had brass or copper shanks. The small patriotic type buttons did have iron shanks though.
On the button posted, was the shank a seperate piece inserted in the back or was it a hump in the back with a hole through it? Either way it's more than likely post 1900 and if it had the hump (selfshank) it is more than likely a blazer button made to look military.

it does have a hump with a hole in it. it's a little smaller than a dime.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

As far as I know all civil war period military buttons that had tin backs had brass or copper shanks. The small patriotic type buttons did have iron shanks though.
On the button posted, was the shank a seperate piece inserted in the back or was it a hump in the back with a hole through it? Either way it's more than likely post 1900 and if it had the hump (selfshank) it is more than likely a blazer button made to look military.

it does have a hump with a hole in it. it's a little smaller than a dime.

If its a self shank then it would be post 1934. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,295338.0.html

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Heres your crossed sabres and bomb button, a style made by Waterbury today.. Its listed under fashion so I would say its a civilian blazer button. Green check?