Use of force

[katdancing]

On Friday 12/13/13, a young man was killed by police officers responding to a call in the home. Tomorrow he will be laid to rest. His mother was the one to contact the police to help calm her son down. You can check the Open Carry Forum, Wisconsin & the Eau Claire Herald. The incident happened in Neillsville, WI. My heart goes out the his mother; she will never be the same. May God ease her pain. Thanks for listening. Kat

 

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[Diggin-N-Dumps]

Is this the story you are talkign about?..If So, you never mentioned the man was carrying a Knife and not responding to Officers request to drop his weapon.

I had a close freind who was shot in the chest a couple years ago, after he tried to enter the wrong house after he had been drinking.....Thou it was a horrible Mistake, and I will miss my freind dearly...the homeowner was not at fault

NEILLSVILLE, Wis. (WTAQ) - A man killed by a Neillsville police officer last Friday has been identified as 23-year-old Ricky Taylor.
Officer Aaron Bembnister responded to a domestic disturbance at a home in Neillsville early last Friday morning.
Officials said Taylor was carrying a knife when the officer confronted him -- and Taylor was shot after he approached the officer and ignored numerous requests to drop the knife. Taylor died later at a Marshfield hospital.
The 24-year-old Bembnister is on administrative leave while the incident remains under investigation by the state Justice Department and Clark County sheriff's deputies.

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

Arizona has had a number of cases like the one above...one police officer was just convicted for shooting a man under similar circumstances...

prayers

 

[Diggin-N-Dumps]

Arizona has had a number of cases like the one above...one police officer was just convicted for shooting a man under similar circumstances...

prayers

I Knwo they just had this happen here in Fort Worth as well, but the difference was, the guy wasnt crying a knife...Dont get me wrong..Im still human and feel for this family...But at the same time, If I were in Law Enforcement and felt theatened?....thats a whole different story....and not everyone has the same fear levels

 

[DeepseekerADS]

With the militarized police force today - an example would be the boy in Georgia while handcuffed behind his back and searched for weapons managed to put a round through his head anyway - how can we NOT grow more afraid of the people assigned to protect us? Are they for us normal citizens, or will it be just another cover-up to protect the righteous blue uniforms - or brown for the county? You and me both may be popped at anytime - of course it's justified.... Like that 70 year old senior citizen lady who was pounded face first into the asphalt - oh she dug her fingernails into the cops hand....

Let's get real citizens, the world is changing on us, and I don't like it!

Do you?

 

[Crispin]

I agree with most everybody on this thread. Tragic, but different fear levels. I'm willing to bet the poor guy had mental illness and was psychotic and delusional. He didn't need a bullet, he needed medicine. However, if I was an officer I may have pulled the trigger as well. There are no right solutions in a problem like this. Had the officer simply left the house the poor boy may have killed himself anyway.

I once saw a video of a schizophrenic with a samurai sword that was having a standoff with police outside a convenience store. He stood for hours and took round after round of bean bag shots to the testicles...and kept standing. wow!

 

[GMD52]

Vt. just has cleared a Burlington police officer of any wrongdoing in the case of him killing an opponent armed with a shovel, who waving it in a threatning manner, said it was due to his training.....BS.....had some of the same training, and shovels were never discusssed.....Gary

 

[Crispin]

Vt. just has cleared a Burlington police officer of any wrongdoing in the case of him killing an opponent armed with a shovel, who waving it in a threatning manner, said it was due to his training.....BS.....had some of the same training, and shovels were never discusssed.....Gary

Some drunk attacked me with a snow shovel when I was living in a shady part of Albany, NY. He took a swing and I took a step back. He missed and fell on his arse. I walked around him...didn't feel like being a good Doc to stop and see if he was okay. My training kicked in pretty well...use force only as a last resort. Well...I guess I did use the force....the force of gravity...

 

[GMD52]

Once again...Mother Nature at work......Good thing he didn't swing that shovel at me, his arse would have been the least of his problems

 

[katdancing]

Thanks for all the info & thoughts. Kat

 

[TheRingFinder]

Every situation is different, and we need to look at the facts of each case individually. Cops want to go home to their families also. Are there bad Cops - sure enough!

 

[Mad Machinist]

I once saw a video of a schizophrenic with a samurai sword that was having a standoff with police outside a convenience store. He stood for hours and took round after round of bean bag shots to the testicles...and kept standing. wow!

I'd like to see that video if you can find it. I've shot with a bean bag gun and it knocked me on my duff and I am not a little boy.


The only question I have is where was the use of a taser? Why did it have to go to a lethal level right of the bat?

In my experience with those in the law enforcement field, the LEO's often ESCALATE the situation by their actions. If someone is in an aggressive mood, the last thing you want to do is get aggressive with them.

My wife was a LEO, and dealt with a lot with drunk combat experienced soldiers on different bases and has never once had to pull her weapon to de-escalate a situation and these are people who are far more dangerous than your average citizen.

And the LEO's wonder why a lot of us consider them trigger happy morons.

 

[packerbacker]

this video if it copies correctly.
"Nut job gets taken down by cops"
man with samurai sword shot - Bing Videos

 

[NHBandit]

I Knwo they just had this happen here in Fort Worth as well, but the difference was, the guy wasnt crying a knife...Dont get me wrong..Im still human and feel for this family...But at the same time, If I were in Law Enforcement and felt theatened?....thats a whole different story....and not everyone has the same fear levels

Curious, was the cop afraid the kid might throw the knife at him ? You don't think shooting to kill is a bit much against an opponent with a knife ? A warning shot or at most a shot in the leg wouldn't have ended the confrontation ?

 

[packerbacker]

I agree NH, in most cases I would think that someone with a knife wouldn't be very threatening unless coming at you in a full attack mode. I wouldn't risk my life to avoid shooting someone but I would look for an avenue to avoid shooting if possible.

 

[Mad Machinist]

this video if it copies correctly.
"Nut job gets taken down by cops"
man with samurai sword shot - Bing Videos

PB,

If this is the video you are talking about, I will give the LEO's there unlimited kudos for inventive use of fire hoses and a ladder. The best part is they didn't resort to lethal tactics to end the standoff.

 

[Mad Machinist]

I agree NH, in most cases I would think that someone with a knife wouldn't be very threatening unless coming at you in a full attack mode. I wouldn't risk my life to avoid shooting someone but I would look for an avenue to avoid shooting if possible.

Maybe it is just me. I have an extensive background in martial arts and hand to hand combat. A knife doesn't scare me one bit. I may break your arm, but at least you won't be dead and could get some help.

 

[Unclebuck257]

It's a tough call for any LEO when threatened by someone with ANY weapon. A shovel can cut your head almost off when swung with enough force and depending on the shovel. A knife is what it is and dangerous in an agressors hands under any circumstances. Having said that, we have all heard stories, or seen stories in our local area where an LEO used excessive force that wasn't really needed in the opinion of most. Those "excessive force" LEOs are by far in the minority from what I've seen, and if my son, as an on-duty LEO, were confronted by an agressive and aggitated person with any kind of weapon, besides a gun, I believe that a leg or shoulder shot would be the outcome because we have discussed this very subject. Now a gun is a whole different story. He'd drop him/her in a heartbeat! Too unpredictable and a bullet can be fired instantly! Like my son, most of these LEOs have wives and children they want to come home to every night.

 

[Mad Machinist]

Unclebuck,

The one thing you and I will agree on is when a gun comes into play. At that point, you drop them plain and simple.

With my background, I am a HUGE proponent of LEO's being taught Krav Maga. This way they good not only defend themselves, they could also rather quickly deescalate a situation with less than lethal means when necessary.



I have a "black belt" in this system and I can tell you it is VERY effective.

 

[Unclebuck257]

MM,

I may not have been clear enough in my reply and that was MY FAULT. When I mentioned a shoulder or leg shot on a shovel or knife welding person, I was talking about ONLY if that person would not stop his/her aggressive behavior and continued coming directly at the LEO. Of course, all other attempts would be made to stop that agressor prior to shooting in the leg or shoulder, which would be a last recourse, which include tasing. My comment regarding a person with a gun remains the same.