Victoria Token

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Heres another thats a tough one to nail down.I believe it to be a Warwickshire token , possibly Birmingham but i hit a dead end there.
The 5th of November 1857 may commemorate the date of the Indian uprising which occured on that day in history , why is a good question as the reverse which one might expect to further explain what and why only deepens the mystery as there is the date 1831 and what looks like a church steeple and house.
Theres no writing on the edge as seen sometimes with conders.The initials WJT appear below the Queens profile,no doubt the designer.
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I believe this is your minter:

TAYLOR, WILLIAM JOSEPH (Brit.). Medallist, Die-sinker and
Engraver, born in Birmingham in 1802; apprenticed to Thomas
Halliday in 1818 (a copy of this Indenture is in the possession of
D r Stanley Bousfield, and says that from November I st 1820 during
the remainder of apprenticeship, Taylor is to receive eight
shillings a week). Taylor was the first die-sinker to be trained
under Halliday.



Taylor came to London in 1829 and set up business as a Die-
sinker, Medallist and Engraver, first at 5 Porter Street, Soho, then
he removed to 3 Litchfield Street, and in 1843 to 33 Little Queen
Street. Finally, in 1868, he went to 70 Red Lion Street, where he
died in March 1885.

In November 1852, Taylor sent out a coining press and complete
plant to Melbourne.

Dies for Port Philip Gold pieces of 1853 and Victorian Shilling
and Sixpence of the same time were probably made by Taylor and
sent out (as D r Bousfield owns two puncheons for these pieces
from among Taylor's dies).

Taylor's plan to mint gold into pieces stamped and of convenient
weight fell through because by the time his mint was ready the
banks were buying gold at its full value. The press was bought by
Mr. Thomas Stokes in 1857.


After W. J. Taylor's death the business was carried on by his
sons Theophilus and Herbert. In 1892 Theophilus left the business,
and in 1908 the presses, tools and machinery were sold off.

Among the best known of medals by Taylor are : Medal of St.
Saviour's School, Southwark, founded 1562, rebuilt 1839;
Shakespeare Medal for Commemoration of 1842 (designed by
H. H. Young); Handel Centenary Commemoration at the
Crystal Palace in 1859; Taylor Combe Memorial Medal,
1826 (after Pistrucci); Charles Green, aeronaut, 1836; -
Medal of the Worshipful Company of Joiners, London ;
Completion of the Thames Tunnel, 1842 (sev. var.); Medal
of the Royal Humane Society (in the style of Pingo's earlier
medal); Coronation medal of Dom Pedro II. of Brazil, 1841;

- Medal of the British Archaeological Association, 1850; -
Restrike of the St. Bartholomew Massacre medal ; Patterns for
coinage of French Pretender Henri V., 1831-33 (including 5, 2 and
i Francs, and 50 Centimes); - - Prize medal of the Society of



Agriculture and Horticulture (with bust of Queen Victoria;
modelled by G. Glenny); Peace of Paris 1814, with busts of
Alexander I. of Russia, Frederick William III. of Prussia, the Duke
of Wellington, and iMarshal Blucher (signed : W.T.F.); Free
Trade medal (by Taylor and Allen) ; The Duke of Sussex (after
Weigand) ; General Gordon ; Golf Club medal ; Prize medal
for Literature; - - D r Chalmers, commemorating the First Assem-
bly of the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland, 1843; Prize
medal of the city of Perth for first student in the senior mathemat-
ical and physical class; - Sir James Duke, Montrose Academy
Prize medal; James William Gilbart, F.R.S. ; Foundation of
the London and Westminster Bank commemorated, 1834;
Halfpenny Tokens of Matthew Young, undated ; Benjamin
Nightingale 1843, 1845; ' ' Penny and Halfpenny Tokens of
\Villiam Till. 1834 and 1839; Pattern Gourde of Henri I. of
Haiti, 1820, 6vc.

Taylor also sent out the copper coinages for the Republic of
Liberia in 1847 and 1862, and was responsible for a number of the
Australian Tokens. The firm took a prominent part in the ' restriking '
of coins and medals late in the last century, possibly at the instigation
of others.
 

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Wow , thank you Mackaydon , thats a fantastic read and brilliant start to tracking this one down , thats an interesting bit about Penny and Halfpenny Wm Till tokens , im off to find out who he was and what his tokens looked like.Id have thought a token would have the merchents name somewhere though.
 

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That looks likely Iron patch , thank you.I think it shows chichester cathedrel , ive no idea why the token doesnt bear the traders name,thats the thing that i find strange.
I thought the same thing Mackaydon , the date is infamous in British history and again i dont see the association with the trader who's tokens its thought this is.
The 1831 date is very curious as the cathedral predates that era by a couple of centuries.
 

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Letsgethammered said:
That looks likely Iron patch , thank you.I think it shows chichester cathedrel , ive no idea why the token doesnt bear the traders name,thats the thing that i find strange.
I thought the same thing Mackaydon , the date is infamous in British history and again i dont see the association with the trader who's tokens its thought this is.
The 1831 date is very curious as the cathedral predates that era by a couple of centuries.


I think there's quite a few British tokens that are unattributed so could be the case for this one. If you really want to know find a long time coin dealer in Birmingham and I bet he would be able to tell you.
 

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I think its an idea to share a little more on how i obtained the token to throw some light on why i suspect its somehow special.I attended an auction of early British milled coins and hammereds collection a few months back,id seen a particular coin i wanted amongst the items listed and had won that auction quite early on.
Deciding to stick around and see how the rest of the auction goes i noticed this token , it seemed very much out of place amongst the other very valuable and extremely fine examples of British coinage down through the ages.

There were no other tokens in that collection , it still doesnt make any sense to me that the token was part of that estate/collection , but it was.Things like that always get me hooked , i was the one and only bidder and brought it home.One thing i do suspect is that the Victoria obverse on the early australian gold coins ive seen is the very same engraving seen on this token minus the dates , its an exact replica of Tayors Victoria.
The Indian revolt against the crown is without doubt what the obverse refers to , its the reverse that doesnt support whats on the front ..why chichester cathedral and why 1831 ?

As you say Iron Spike , possibly an unattributed token , and as Iron Spike points out its listed in that old manuscript but i cant help wondering if its been attributed incorrectly , i dont see this as being a tea merchents token , theres nothing to indicate tea or a value on the token , its not beyond the realms of rational thought to think the author of that book got it wrong,im not saying it is wrong but id have liked to have seen pics of both sides of that token the link talks about , it shows the reverse only , im just having difficulty with a tea token considering the source of my token.It came from one of the finest collections of coins ive ever seen assembled in one room,and it was the only solitary token in that collection.
 

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