WARD BASED HIS STORY ON ORIGINAL "THE BEALE PAPERS" PUBLISHED 1850

[Rebel - KGC]

All I know is that it appears there was something in Richmond that a lot of these people were connected to in some way. Quite often when you find one of them there you'll trace others to Richmond at the same time, regardless of the distance having to be traveled. "Why did they need to be there?" That is the looming question at this time.

1) Why did Joseph Bonaparte write his letters to Monroe from Richmond at the same time the Laffite's were there?
2) During this same period why did the Laffite's spend nearly a full year there and what important business were they tending to?
3) Why did our unknown author have to return to Richmond to tend to important business affairs?
4) Why did the Laffites and J. Bonaparte frequent Richmond throughout the period?
5) Why was Jerome Bonaparte in Richmond in the 60's looking to by select pieces of property?
6) Why did Neploean III have representives in Richmond at the same time Jerome was looking to buy property?
7) Why was Lallemand and others in Richmond and the surrounding region?
And the list goes on and on.

In 1817 the Americans advance into Florida, Monroe sighting a secret resolution that was passed in 1811 permitting to resort to such action. In his address to congress/senate in regard to the matter he also singles out "the banditi at Galveston Island" as representing the same threat as though of Amelia Island. Why did he address the situation at Amelia Island with military force but decline to do so at Galveston Island? In both locations this banditi had presented written proclamation to the US of the newly formed governments they had established, the very substance/threat the 1811 resolution served to prevent which was later again echoed in the Monroe Doctrine. Why was Laffite allowed to remain in Galveston Island until after the Adam's Onis Treaty had been "ratified". And a few years later we're all back in Richmond again, penning letters to James Monroe regarding payments for services rendered. Richmond is the key to unlocking the Beale mystery.

F.C. Hutter was the author ("BP"); CSA Pay-master, had to return to Richmond, Va. BEFORE "the city" fell to Yanks. ALL Richmond, Va. "stores" were to be moved to Lynchburg, Va. & "points" WEST; as ordered by Prez Jeff Davis... per recommendation of Gen. Robert E. Lee. AND! MAX's GOLD had to be "resolved" as he was Emperor of MEXICO; CSA Treasury had some French "donations" to the REBELS... "google" Emperor Maximilian - Mexico; missing TREASURES.

 

[bigscoop]

F.C. Hutter was the author ("BP"); CSA Pay-master, had to return to Richmond, Va. BEFORE "the city" fell to Yanks. ALL Richmond, Va. "stores" were to be moved to Lynchburg, Va. & "points" WEST; as ordered by Prez Jeff Davis... per recommendation of Gen. Robert E. Lee. AND! MAX's GOLD had to be "resolved" as he was Emperor of MEXICO; CSA Treasury had some French "donations" to the REBELS... "google" Emperor Maximilian - Mexico; missing TREASURES.

I think the dates of deposit in the Beale Papers are probably accurate. And I also think this wealth had been long since recovered and distributed before the Civil War and most likely even before the end of the ten year term. I just don't think the unknown author was aware of it. The third party, in this case Morriss, was only required in the event that his services were ever needed, which obviously they were not. and thus begins a treasure hunt for a buried treasure that doesn't even exist anymore. As they often say, "Silence is sometimes golden."

 

[ECS]

From around 1816 to at least 1864 it seems as though the Bonapartes had constant presence in & out Richmond, but for the life of me I can't dial in on why Richmond? I can speculate, but I can't pin it down.

During the War of Northern Aggression,CSA President Davis and CSA Sec of State were trying to form the GRAND ALLIANCE with France,Imperial Mexico,and Great Britain,and many of their representatives were in and out of Richmond at that time.Naplolean III set up Maxamillian as Emperor of Imperial Mexico,and both countries were favored nations of the Confederacy,having loaned money to the "Cause".
Undefeated CSA Gen Joe Shelby and his "Iron Brigade"went to Mexico ,never surrending to the Union.
A Gringo in Rural Mexico: General Shelby and the Vera Cruz Fantasy
The politics of that time and afterward are covered on this site.The activities of the French in Richmond does not seem to be about Beale.Also note,Maxamillian turned down Shelby's offer of mecenary service because he felt it would violate the MONROE DOCTRINE.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

During the War of Northern Aggression,CSA President Davis and CSA Sec of State were trying to form the GRAND ALLIANCE with France,Imperial Mexico,and Great Britain,and many of their representatives were in and out of Richmond at that time.Naplolean III set up Maxamillian as Emperor of Imperial Mexico,and both countries were favored nations of the Confederacy,having loaned money to the "Cause".
Undefeated CSA Gen Joe Shelby and his "Iron Brigade"went to Mexico ,never surrending to the Union.
A Gringo in Rural Mexico: General Shelby and the Vera Cruz Fantasy
The politics of that time and afterward are covered on this site.The activities of the French in Richmond does not seem to be about Beale.Also note,Maxamillian turned down Shelby's offer of mecenary service because he felt it would violate the MONROE DOCTRINE.

You are correct.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

It MAY well be that Beale & Associates were REALLY helping M get out of Mexico, burying stuff in Texas... then MOVED. Read/heard SOMEWHERE that KGC helped M... DUNNO; KGC was HUGE in Texas, tho. "BP" was a "cover-story", alluding to Max's GOLD mixed with CSA TREASURY (or parts of it). PV, in his last book on the "BT" (novel/FACTION) stated that "it" was moved ($$$$$$$) piece-by-piece into a FAMILY TRUST (PROBABLY the HUTTER/RAGLAND Families TRUST FUND) in Lynchburg, Va. Post-CONFEDERATE WAR... CF Hutter worked for the City of Lynchburg (VIRGINIA) IRS under Capt. Rives (CSA Artillery - Amherst); HE could "see" sudden Wealth or do a "cover-up". ES Hutter became VERY wealthy, building Rivermont Bridge and "sections" of Rivermont Ave., which had RIVERVIEW PARK, and NOW, RIVERSIDE PARK. Here is the KICKER... RP has the remains of the Marshall; "boat" that carried the body of Stonewall Jackson up to Lexington, Va. on the James River. The Marshall left at the 9th Street bridge on the OLD canal, & I think it is POSSIBLE, that an abandoned "lock"/tunnel could have been used to hide "BT" before getting to Lexington, Va. to re-build VMI. AND! A "Community Fund" for ppl in Lynchburg, VIRGINIA to "get up & going"; Lynchburg, Va. was LAST Virginia STATE Capital (for about 4 days), after Richmond, Va. fell. The Old City Cemetery off of 5th Street has a HUGE CSA Cemetery, and a plaque, on the ground... stating that the BEALE TREASURE was buried in OCC. HA!

 

[bigscoop]

1817 - 1832, this era represents the core events outlined in the pamphlet. While i fully understand why everyone wants to run with CSA stuff it is this earlier period that establishes the story, not an era that took place some 40-50 years later. The 15 year period from 1817 to 1832 has to be understood if this mystery is to ever be solved.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

1817 - 1832, this era represents the core events outlined in the pamphlet. While i fully understand why everyone wants to run with CSA stuff it is this earlier period that establishes the story, not an era that took place some 40-50 years later. The 15 year period from 1817 to 1832 has to be understood if this mystery is to ever be solved.

Show YOUR proof; I have more than ENOUGH for CONFEDERATE WAR "cover-up". YOU have NOTHING for the French "connection"; I HAVE... during the CONFEDERATE WAR.

 

[bigscoop]

Show YOUR proof; I have more than ENOUGH for CONFEDERATE WAR "cover-up". YOU have NOTHING for the French "connection"; I HAVE... during the CONFEDERATE WAR.

Reb, lower your defenses........all I said was that, "the events in 1817 - 1822 must be understood if the mystery is ever to be solved", meaning, "Even if it did have something to do with other events that took place some 40-50 years later." You can't take a "recorded event", which is what the Beale Pamphlet supposedly represents, and pretend those same events happened 50 years later just because it is convenient to do so. The 1715 Fleet sank in "1715" - it was discovered because accurate detailed records told of it's loss, it didn't sink in 1765 and it wasn't discovered because people spent their time researching documents and records in 1765. The Beale Pamphlet presented the mystery, detailing events that occurred in 1817 - 1822, it didn't present the mystery taking place in the 1860's. If your supposition is representing another era in time then you have an entirely different mystery. If you don't believe the details in the Beale Pamphlet then you are in essence saying that the entire mystery is a work of complete fiction, and if it is a fiction then there can be no truth to the proposed mystery at all. It's that simple.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Reb, lower your defenses........all I said was that, "the events in 1817 - 1822 must be understood if the mystery is ever to be solved", meaning, "Even if it did have something to do with other events that took place some 40-50 years later." You can't take a "recorded event", which is what the Beale Pamphlet supposedly represents, and pretend those same events happened 50 years later just because it is convenient to do so. The 1715 Fleet sank in "1715" - it was discovered because accurate detailed records told of it's loss, it didn't sink in 1765 and it wasn't discovered because people spent their time researching documents and records in 1765. The Beale Pamphlet presented the mystery, detailing events that occurred in 1817 - 1822, it didn't present the mystery taking place in the 1860's. If your supposition is representing another era in time then you have an entirely different mystery. If you don't believe the details in the Beale Pamphlet then you are in essence saying that the entire mystery is a work of complete fiction, and if it is a fiction then there can be no truth to the proposed mystery at all. It's that simple.

NOPE; details in "BP" were utilized as a COVER STORY; I have provided "proof" here & there, including the "French Connection"... even ECS "knows". Gen. Shelby & the IRON BRIGADE... IRON HAND Brigade, KGC.

 

[bigscoop]

NOPE; details in "BP" were utilized as a COVER STORY; I have provided "proof" here & there, including the "French Connection"... even ECS "knows". Gen. Shelby & the IRON BRIGADE... IRON HAND Brigade, KGC.

No. There has been absolutely no proof of any of it, just suspicion based on very broad speculation. Nothing from the CSA has ever been connected to the events detailed in the Beale Pamphlet. Claiming "cover story" simply allows the claimants to transport the mystery in time so that it survives within a realm desired. "Cover Story" simply allows a whole new story to be created where it is most convenient. Hence - a whole new mystery that doesn't even have a connection to the original tale.

 

[bigscoop]

Reb, let me tell about a recent development. Now this may be huge, or it may be nothing. However, recently Tat came across something simply by happenstance, simply by being the right place even though it was never his purpose for being there. What he saw on that day was a strange image with what "appeared to be" the wrong information attached to it. Now Tat is currently looking into the matter and if it is what we're hoping/suspect it could be then it's going to explain/establish with certainty the correct Thomas Beale and it will also establish that the entire undertaking outlined in the Beale papers was in fact, "a military operation conducted in the period described in the pamphlet." Time will tell.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Reb, let me tell about a recent development. Now this may be huge, or it may be nothing. However, recently Tat came across something simply by happenstance, simply by being the right place even though it was never his purpose for being there. What he saw on that day was a strange image with what "appeared to be" the wrong information attached to it. Now Tat is currently looking into the matter and if it is what we're hoping/suspect it could be then it's going to explain/establish with certainty the correct Thomas Beale and it will also establish that the entire undertaking outlined in the Beale papers was in fact, "a military operation conducted in the period described in the pamphlet." Time will tell.

OK, looking forward to it... 1817-1822.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

MEANWHILE... as the world turns.

 

[bigscoop]

MEANWHILE... as the world turns.

Get a detector, go to an interesting place, find some treasure.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Get a detector, go to an interesting place, find some treasure.

TOO COLD here; I am not a "Have Detector, Will Travel" type...

 

[ECS]

... Nothing from the CSA has ever been connected to the events detailed in the Beale Pamphlet. Claiming "cover story" simply allows the claimants to transport the mystery in time so that it survives within a realm desired. "Cover Story" simply allows a whole new story to be created where it is most convenient. Hence - a whole new mystery that doesn't even have a connection to the original tale.

There is that curious mention of the 2nd year of the CONFEDERATE WAR.
It has been shown on this thread that the incidents in the BEALE PAPERS were borrowered from other sources,one being the 1850 BEALE PAPERS by E F Beale,events that really happened.Other sources utilized have also been noted.
There is also NO mention of a French or any military operation in the Beale job pamphlet-that is also in the realm of speculation.
The Beale pamphlet was published in 1885,20 years after the Confederate War,and some of those involved with the printing,Hutter,fought in that war.
Be it a coverup or a dime western/treasure novel it still it is a story based on events from others journals.
If as claimed,the treasure involved LaFitte,Lallemand,Bonaparte,Girard and Patterson,the Beale story,once again,would considered a coverup to its actual intent.
So it all boils down to this:The BEALE PAPERS of 1885 are 1.True as written;2.A dime western/treasure novel;3.A coverup tale for a real treasure that has nothing to do with the story contained in the Beale pamphlet.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

WHEN is the "second year of the CONFEDERATE WAR...? I choose # 3.

 

[bigscoop]

"It has been shown on this thread that the incidents in the BEALE PAPERS were borrowered from other sources...."

With all due respect, "a possible comparison was made". The above statement makes it sound like it has been proven to be an established fact, which simply isn't the case at all. As far as Hutter "fighting in the war".....so what? I mean, it's not like there were only 100 participants in that little conflict. I'm sure just about everyone in the entire region had a relative or two that fought in that war. "1885" - "20 years after the war"............again, is there some significance to this? "The second year of the Civil War"......if the dates of deposit in the story are true then, well, it was simply during the second year of the Civil War that the unknown author first became acquainted with the mystery. Sorry, I just don't see any of this presenting much of a case to anything at all.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

"It has been shown on this thread that the incidents in the BEALE PAPERS were borrowered from other sources...."

With all due respect, "a possible comparison was made". The above statement makes it sound like it has been proven to be an established fact, which simply isn't the case at all. As far as Hutter "fighting in the war".....so what? I mean, it's not like there were only 100 participants in that little conflict. I'm sure just about everyone in the entire region had a relative or two that fought in that war. "1885" - "20 years after the war"............again, is there some significance to this? "The second year of the Civil War"......if the dates of deposit in the story are true then, well, it was simply during the second year of the Civil War that the unknown author first became acquainted with the mystery. Sorry, I just don't see any of this presenting much of a case to anything at all.

YOU spend YOUR time "belly-aching" about us & what we "see"... LOL! Spend MORE time researching YOUR theory; want to see what cha got... OH! The YOUNG & RESTLESS!

 

[bigscoop]

YOU spend YOUR time "belly-aching" about us & what we "see"... LOL! Spend MORE time researching YOUR theory; want to see what cha got... OH! The YOUNG & RESTLESS!

It's all the bad local oysters.