water hunting troubles

garviso8 · Jun 22, 2015

been using my cz 21 at local area beaches here in Miami and getting frustrated to the point of calling it quits ,definitely not as easy as it seems my problem comes on retrieving targets, I listen to the machine ,place the scoop near where I think it is and proceed to dig and dig and dig to no avail how deep is this thing? all this digging muddy's the water to the point that now I can't see a thing ,eventually I get tired and move on. when I manage to get a target it's usually a penny as this machine is not the best discriminator nor does it have a depth meter, add the miles traveled to the beach ,tolls ,refreshments and what not, just to walk away with a few hard earned pennies that I can't probably use because there so corroded. I don't need to make a living off this but would like to see a better treasure to trash ratio sorry to vent but it seems like other people have better experiences doing this any advise on what i'm doing wrong would be appreciated

ARC · Jun 22, 2015

First question I have is... what kind of scoop are you using ?

Sandman · Jun 22, 2015

Stealth beach scoop

As for CZ-21 not being a good disc. Your in the wrong hobby. It would take me to long to bring you up to speed so you need to read this. http://web.archive.org/web/20080202045558/http://thegoldenolde.com/ If you disc out pennies or tabs you will never find gold.

lookindown · Jun 22, 2015

The CZ21 goes deep...sometimes a big target like a crab trap or a beer can will sound good and be very deep. Some beaches I hunt have deep crab traps and big pieces of crab traps and pieces of cans. Some beaches don't have these and the target recovery is easier. Try different beaches if you can and you may find some that you enjoy hunting more than the ones with the deep targets. Water hunting isn't easy and its not for everyone...I love it but you don't just go along scooping rings and coins with ease...its work but it can be very rewarding...the more you do it the easier it gets and you will get faster at recovering targets...good luck and I hope you hang with it...the first day I water hunted I started thinking that water hunting might not be for me...when the gold started showing up in my scoop I never looked back and love it now.

lookindown · Jun 22, 2015

Sandman said:
Stealth beach scoop
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As for CZ-21 not being a good disc. Your in the wrong hobby. It would take me to long to bring you up to speed so you need to read this. The Golden Olde If you disc out pennies or tabs you will never find gold.

When I went from a RTG 6 inch scoop to the Stealth 720 my target recovery time was cut in half.

Treasure_Hunter · Jun 22, 2015

Larger the scoop the quicker you can recover target and move to next target..

masterjedi · Jun 22, 2015

You are hunting for the wrong reason... It should be fun no matter what you find or don't find.. No one is getting rich at this. It is the fun of the hunt, great friends, fresh air, etc. I have been detecting since the late 70's and still love to find just a wheat penny. I hope it never changes for me...
Gary from Oregon...

Treasure_Hunter · Jun 22, 2015

garviso8 said:
been using my cz 21 at local area beaches here in Miami and getting frustrated to the point of calling it quits ,definitely not as easy as it seems my problem comes on retrieving targets, I listen to the machine ,place the scoop near where I think it is and proceed to dig and dig and dig to no avail how deep is this thing? all this digging muddy's the water to the point that now I can't see a thing ,eventually I get tired and move on. when I manage to get a target it's usually a penny as this machine is not the best discriminator nor does it have a depth meter, add the miles traveled to the beach ,tolls ,refreshments and what not, just to walk away with a few hard earned pennies that I can't probably use because there so corroded. I don't need to make a living off this but would like to see a better treasure to trash ratio sorry to vent but it seems like other people have better experiences doing this any advise on what i'm doing wrong would be appreciated

What size is your scoop? Need minimum of 8" scoop in water, 10-12" is better..

How are you deciding where to dig?

When I find a target I locate the strongest signal (center of target) with my coil, then without moving coil I place my toe at the center of the back of the coil, this is where the tip of of my scoop goes, I remove coil and push scoop down and forward. This is my process when in the water...

garviso8 · Jun 22, 2015

I have a t-rex scoop

ARC · Jun 22, 2015

Well it seems you have a decent scoop...
Should have no probs if you follow Treasure Hunters advice/instructions.

NOW... as far as the "finding more" and making some money...
I just started this thread awile back on this...
you may OR may not...like the read...

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/g...r-make-money-rude-reality-life-slow-lane.html

garviso8 · Jun 22, 2015

I use the t-rex scoop I locate target and gestimate where I should scoop when I remove the coil . problem is target is either too deep or it's moving and after the first or second try the mud flats I'm detecting in gets so cloudy I can't see and rely only on guessing .maybe i'll try a beach with softer sand bottom

CASPER-2 · Jun 22, 2015

try finding a hunt partner if possible -
I use a CZ21 love it - use a RTG scoop with big basket
I recover regular targets on first scoop (helps I wear a mask and can see exactly where to scoop)
deeper targets might take 2 or 3 - but I can usually tell its gonna take that by the sound of target
I have guys that have bought same machine and did like you - went out - found pennies and gave up

have guys that bought used Garretts and Minelabs and did the same thing - and sold their machines after a few weeks

one thing a lot of guys that I knew did was - 1) they went in with the thought they were going to find gold all over the place
2) they did not listen to almost any advice I gave them - they thought it so easy to just turn on and go and the finds roll in

I told guys just where to go for fresh drops - they ignored me - went where they thought and got tons of nails and a few pennies - after they told me
that - I would go right to the area I told them and do pretty good and Id throw in their face - give advice again - and they would go to spot and once again they thought another area would be better and once again theyd come up empty - lot of times that would go at high tide - when I told them go at low
so theyd be hitting in waist deep water -where at low all the land hunters could pepper at low

try and learn your machine - put the time in - longer you hunt the better hopefully you'll get and hopefully the better finds will come

garviso8 · Jun 22, 2015

I didn't mean I wanted to make money at this ,it's just that a hobby for me has to have some kind of gratification .Iv'e done pretty well at parks and figured it's got to be better at the beach

gamiller · Jun 22, 2015

You have received advise from some of the experienced water hunters, now it's up to utilize their knowledge.

Treasure_Hunter · Jun 22, 2015

If target is moving that easy odds are good it is too light to be good target, more likely can slaw...

Next time try like I suggested and mark center back of coil and start your scoop there pushing down and forward.

Do you have that many swimmers in mud flats? Most beach goers I see don't like mud flats unless that is all there is period.. You want to hunt where the most targets are lost at.

People tell me they hit the beach at time of low tide, I roll my eyes, low tide last about one minute so if low tide is 3pm and you hit the beach at 2:55pm you missed the best opportunity already.. I like to start my hunt at least 3 to 4 hours before low tide. Only time I hunt high tide is when I'm hunting from dawn to dusk or I'm staying at beach and hunt several times a day. I never plan a hunt where I drive to be there at high tide...

Peyton Manning · Jun 22, 2015

ok. let me get this straight.
YOu get to hunt in saltwater on a florida beach and you are unhappy?
Try beach hunting in indiana pal
if I never found anything on the beach I would never complain ( except about those stinkin flies)

Loco-Digger · Jun 22, 2015

I have not water hunted yet. I did by an Aquanaut and plan on hitting some beaches at the local lakes to include the North coast. I look forward to learning the new type of detecting and can't wait to go "old school" on some targets, (by sound alone).

I'm thinking that I should line my scoop with 1/4" mesh before I hit the beaches, the scoop I have is a Beachmaster 32" scoop or something similar. What do you think?

lookindown · Jun 22, 2015

garviso8 said:
I use the t-rex scoop I locate target and gestimate where I should scoop when I remove the coil . problem is target is either too deep or it's moving and after the first or second try the mud flats I'm detecting in gets so cloudy I can't see and rely only on guessing .maybe i'll try a beach with softer sand bottom

Hunting mud flats might be your problem...try an ocean side sandy beach that has lots of people...I think you will enjoy your hunt much more than on the mud flats.

Golden oaks · Jun 22, 2015

I would suggest placing your toe just below where you think the target is located before removing the coil. Then place the scoop over you toe to dig. This has helped me. Also, try practicing before hand by placing your scoop behind your coil without looking down or blindfolded. Get in the habit of not trying to find the coil when you are ready to place the scoop.