where is cancun??

[gus]

I know the answer today but i ran across a reference in the Gazeta de Mexico published in1804 about the loss of the ship Maria off "la isla cancun". Driving me crazy since present day cancun was not on the maps as far as I know. Ideas??

 

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[diverlynn]

Try Mexico, Yucatan Peninsula


:P
DL

 

[jeff of pa]

http://www.thescubasite.com/Scuba-Diving-in-Mexico/scuba-diving-in-cancun


http://www.laislacancun.com.mx/informacion.php?cve_centro=8&tipo=atracciones&lang=2

 

[gus]

you are missing the point. Cancun was "created" back in the late 60's early 70's. Does not show up on early maps etc. But back in 1804 they use the isla cancun as a reference point for a ship that was lost.

 

[jeff of pa]

3rd page down may help I Didn't read this just scanned to that.

Cancun first appears on a map in 1734

PDF FILE

http://faculty.ncf.edu/andrews/research/Cancun Hist Notes [FAMSI-Aztlan 2006].pdf

I Can't find anything saying another place was known as Cancun

 

[rgecy]

Yeah, I thought Cancun was invented by the cruise industry and spring break!

 

[pcolaboy]

Yeah, I thought Cancun was invented by the cruise industry and spring break!

Yeah, but my fraternity brothers and I put it ON the map during our senior spring break

 

[Mackaydon]

"The name, Cancun, applies to the city as well as to the adjacent island resort area. Cancún city is located on the northeastern coast of the Yucatán Peninsula and is essentially a service town for the resort area of Cancún situated on an L-shaped Cancún Island (13 miles long by 0.25-mile across). A causeway to Cancún city links the resort area of Cancún (also called the Zona Hotelera/Hotel Zone)."

"Originally settled by Maya Indians, the area was first described and named Cancúne (Mayan: "Vessel at the End of the Rainbow") in 1843 by the American explorer John Lloyd Stephens and the British explorer Frederick Catherwood in their classic work Incidents of Travel in Yucatan (1843)."

So what was originally Cancun Island (Isla Cancun) is now a part of the resort area of Cancun.

Don....

http://ezinearticles.com/?Cancun-Mexico&id=411009

 

[ivan salis]

so the " la ilsa cancun" when properly translated is the " the island (of) cancun" which is today is part of the cancun resort area in mexico.

and yes while its true that the cruise industry put cancun "on the map" so to speak --the island of cancun had that name long ago.

 

[Mackaydon]

In "Shipwrecks in Mexican Waters" published (in English in 1981) by CEDAM, it notes the vessel "Maria" (a Spanish merchant ship), Capt. Uxaboxa, sailing from Bilbao to Vera Cruz, was lost in the Gulf of Mexico. CEDAM's source: Lloyds List, #4379. Date of loss: August 26, 1803.
This appears to be 'your' vessel.
Don..........

 

[ivan salis]

nice research mac --beat me to it

 

[Mackaydon]

Ivan:
Marx actually wrote the book and gave me a copy 20+ years ago.
I nearly forgot I had it since TH-ing in Mexican waters remains taboo.
Don......

 

[Badfrog]

TH is a no no in Mexico ? I was wondering that because I found a small canon off the beach in a place near cancun and was thinking of maybe trying to salvage it. I don't think it's part of a wreck as it was sitting on a shallow sandy bottom, but still a nice piece. Well, maybe the rules will change someday !

T

 

[gus]

the Gazetta de Mexico (1804)says the Maria was lost at "isla Cancun" Back then I am surprised they would mention Cancun. I will try and locate the Lloyds listing. Reason I am doing this is on Cozumel there is a well known shipwreck (known since the 60's) which has various trade items recovered (cheap knives rings buttons etc) plus a shipping seal with an 1802 date. Really love to figure out the ships name and history and the Maria is a possible.

 

[Mackaydon]

Gus:
You may also wish to check out the NS del Carmen (aka "La Princesa"), Capt. Remachn (sic) sailing from Cadiz to VCruz; a total loss "in the Gulf of Mexico". Same sources: Marx's CEDAM publication and Lloyds List, #4380, d.o.l. August 30, 1803.

 

[gus]

will do. i have Marx's publication on Mexican shipwrecks. I am just very curious why cancun is mentioned in the Gazette.

 

[mad4wrecks]

If you plan on salvaging a shipwreck in Mexican waters.........it will take a large miracle. And if you plan on doing so without permission, leave contact information for your next of kin.

 

[Island Hunter]

Are you looking for Cancun or Canzun. On this late 1700 chart it is called Canzun.

 

[gus]

nothing to salvage. just trying to get a name for what the local museum has.

 

[Island Hunter]

This may help