captain ack1
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hello fellow searchers....which detector goes deeper than the excal? im ready to upgrade
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OldeBeechnut said:But in the salt water the excal would not have a chance. That is PI territory...
OldeBeechnut said:But in the salt water the excal would not have a chance. That is PI territory...
steve from ohio said:OldeBeechnut said:But in the salt water the excal would not have a chance. That is PI territory...
I love to water hunt but digging down more than a foot in neck deep water is not my idea of having fun. I prefer to hit the fresh drops and they are usually not all that deep in the sand under the water. I have not found when running pin point with my Excalibur that there was anything all that deep in waste deep or deeper water. It's almost as if the rings or targets never really seem to sink deep in the sand like they do closer to shore where wave action seems to bury things under the sand. Of course it could be too that the Excalibur loses some sensitivity while in salt water. I'm no engineer so I am only guessing.
Detector Wars said:OldeBeechnut said:But in the salt water the excal would not have a chance. That is PI territory...
Why do you think that is? Do you think the excal looses depth in salt water? Does the DF handle the salt water well? I felt that my excal2 lost performance/depth in salt water.
steve from ohio said:I agree that the Excalibur loses depth in salt water. Not really sure why. I've used an Infinium in the salt water and it just punches through as if it was nothing. I really do like PI machines but I sure hate digging trash. I may get a White's TDI as I hear it has a sort of discrimination.
I hunt mainly the beaches around Sarasota so mineralization is not a problem. But I do sometimes hunt other areas that it does become a problem.
I guess the answer may be a multi process detector. A combination PI/VLF machine that uses both at the same time. With today's computer processors, I would think it would be very possible to have such a machine. I wonder if it has ever been tried?
captain ack1 said:ok craig an all...the story continues...i called kellyco to get a price on a whites DF....a female answered and thru the chat she says the excal is a deeper machine...so i asked if there was a policy where i could test drive it [like a car ] so i could check it out....she said at 30% of the cost i could check it out for 14 days and if i didnt like it send it back in time and get whacked for a restock fee the special price is $799...do the math...any thoughts are appreciated...HH
captain ack1 said:ok craig an all...the story continues...i called kellyco to get a price on a whites DF....a female answered and thru the chat she says the excal is a deeper machine...so i asked if there was a policy where i could test drive it [like a car ] so i could check it out....she said at 30% of the cost i could check it out for 14 days and if i didnt like it send it back in time and get whacked for a restock fee the special price is $799...do the math...any thoughts are appreciated...HH
Craig-PI said:I would never pay a restocking fee... she can say whatever she wants about depth... they also charge alot of money for detector like the Viper that couldn't see a volkswagen under a wet rug..
Treasure_Hunter said:Craig-PI said:I would never pay a restocking fee... she can say whatever she wants about depth... they also charge alot of money for detector like the Viper that couldn't see a volkswagen under a wet rug..
You may not want to pay a restocking fee, but show me a store that would let you try a new detector for 14 days and not charge you for it. Their restocking fee is just a way that allows you to return a detector that you change your mind about after buying it.........
Excal would rent for more than $50 a day if you were to rent it...... $50 x 14 days = $700
captain ack1 said:OH MY...i didnt mean to start a war..we are all friends here...bottom line is im in salt water...in new england...and waist deep ...looking to upgrade from an excal 1.6 yrs old...and just want to go deeper without hardwiring a sef or wot....thanks for the pros and cons...im not a big fan of whites or garret...1200 or less thanks ...
Craig-PI said:I deal with local dealers and they have no issues with me taking out a floor model so it can be done... maybe the original poster can find a member here who would be wiling to meet him and let him try it out...
Treasure_Hunter said:Craig-PI said:I would never pay a restocking fee... she can say whatever she wants about depth... they also charge alot of money for detector like the Viper that couldn't see a volkswagen under a wet rug..
You may not want to pay a restocking fee, but show me a store that would let you try a new detector for 14 days and not charge you for it. Their restocking fee is just a way that allows you to return a detector that you change your mind about after buying it.........
Excal would rent for more than $50 a day if you were to rent it...... $50 x 14 days = $700
Terry Soloman said:captain ack1 said:OH MY...i didnt mean to start a war..we are all friends here...bottom line is im in salt water...in new england...and waist deep ...looking to upgrade from an excal 1.6 yrs old...and just want to go deeper without hardwiring a sef or wot....thanks for the pros and cons...im not a big fan of whites or garret...1200 or less thanks ...
You have not bought yourself a Tesoro Sand Shark yet? Did you see all the machines and opinions posted above? What the heck are you waiting for? $600 out of the box with a 10.5" coil - that doesn't float!
Laughing out loud in New York! - T
So your not a true water detectorist if you discriminate? HaHaHa ...I dont discriminate, but you took a shot at a lot of people who do.Detector Wars said:But you only need to try it out for a day, you should find a store which will let you rent it or both detectors for a day.
Unlikely that you will be able to, so I guess you will have to rely on others' info. You will eventually get a PI, because that's the only way you'll know.
One thing that needs to be said regarding this debate;
If you're buying a water unit, you will want to use it in the water often, otherwise why buy a water unit? If you're using it in the water, you don't have to deal with as much junk. Sure, you will also want to use it out of the water, and in areas with lots of junk, vlf's are good for that (you mentioned you are ready to upgrade, so I'm assuming you already have an excal).
If you're going to spend most of your time out of water and wade occasionally, ask yourself if it's really worth getting a water unit at all, let alone another one. If you're a true water detectorist, you won't need to worry about discrimination, only depth.
It also amazes me how many people consider weight as an issue. Those problems can always be and are, easy to solve.
captain ack1 said:ok craig this one is for you... after much debate im biting the bullet and getting a DF.. NOW...all you procrastinators can kiss my grits{what}...? but i appreciate the banter and comments...you guys are of the same ilk as I...we share the same great hobby...I have no buddies to hunt with..competition i dont need...ive been hunting with a MD since 1978 land and water...and always ready to learn....im one of those guys thats up at 3am for the 5am low tide...HH to all...may gold fall into your scoop...