Who else is getting tired of hearing about the Templars

[EC.Mason]

There has never been any truer statement in TNET history then this.

A true templar historian who deals with factual evidence knows that there is zero evidence that the templars ever came to North America....

 

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[Robot]

What is Truth?

There has never been any truer statement in TNET history then this.

Originally Posted by Singlestack Wonder
A true templar historian who deals with factual evidence knows that there is zero evidence that the templars ever came to North America...."

 

[EC.Mason]

Im a history teacher and I so want to go in my best Oak Island narrator voice and say " A pyramid in Egypt, a mysterious tomb found close by containing a boy king.. Is it possibly ancient aliens laid these there because at night there is star straight above each one...


And and somehow say the Templars were involved.

im just annoyed with the narrator, maybe, just if and many other phrases are used over and over. dear god find it and show us please.

 

[gr88bd]

im just annoyed with the narrator, maybe, just if and many other phrases are used over and over. dear god find it and show us please.

He's a talking head , reading from a script written by the people that sign his paycheck....

 

[lokiblossom]

Im a history teacher and I so want to go in my best Oak Island narrator voice and say " A pyramid in Egypt, a mysterious tomb found close by containing a boy king.. Is it possibly ancient aliens laid these there because at night there is star straight above each one...


And and somehow say the Templars were involved.

Thats the problem with history teachers, no open minds. Its a good thing the Ingstad's didn't listen to their history teachers!

Cheers, Loki

 

[G.A.P.metal]

Thats the problem with history teachers, no open minds. Its a good thing the Ingstad's didn't listen to their history teachers!

Cheers, Loki

Loki
Sounds like sour grapes ....did you fail History ?

 

[EC.Mason]

Thank you for making the number one argument us history teachers love to hear. No most of us actually have a big open mind. I dont believe every detail written in history books. I teach my students to be open minded. Its just funny that 99% of middle schoolers dont believe in the Oak Island treasure or the Templars being the sole reason for every treasure EVER. And believe me sir I show both sides of the argument... So the majority of 12 year olds dont believe the Oak Island or Templar story.......Think about that.

Thats the problem with history teachers, no open minds. Its a good thing the Ingstad's didn't listen to their history teachers!

Cheers, Loki

 

[Robot]

The History...You Are Teaching...Always Needs to be...Re Written!

Thank you for making the number one argument us history teachers love to hear. No most of us actually have a big open mind. I dont believe every detail written in history books. I teach my students to be open minded. Its just funny that 99% of middle schoolers dont believe in the Oak Island treasure or the Templars being the sole reason for every treasure EVER. And believe me sir I show both sides of the argument... So the majority of 12 year olds dont believe the Oak Island or Templar story.......Think about that.

 

[lokiblossom]

Loki
Sounds like sour grapes ....did you fail History ?

Nope, I excelled, as a matter of fact I have published several books on history, "The Templar's Invented the Steam Engine" and "The Holy Grail in Walmart"!

Cheers, Loki

 

[lokiblossom]

So the majority of 12 year olds dont believe the Oak Island or Templar story.......Think about that.

Umm, and why is that important to me?

Btw, I don't necessarily believe in the Oak Island story, or the Templars being the sole reason for every treasure ever either!!!

Cheers, Loki

 

[Dave Rishar]

Portugal did become a safe haven (read post preceding this one)and a few did go there, but the new order had been established in 1319 for the members of the Order already there.

Yet they stayed there for a number of years before they'd been granted legitimacy. (And presumably they just kept on doing Templar things.) If everyone was fearing for their lives, I'd expect a mass exodus.

One of the major tools to navigation learned by the Templars from the Arabs in the Eastern Mediterranean was the use of latitude finding tools such as the Kamal and Cross Staff!

Is there a reference somewhere of Europeans using a kamal during that period of time? As for the cross staff, the earliest mention of it in European literature is not far off from the period of time that we're discussing, but the author of that piece was not a Templar. Or was he? The introduction of the magnetic compass in Europe is actually a bit of a mystery. Don't you want to talk about that?

The Caravel came a little later and does not apply to this part of the story.

But it does! The Portuguese wanted to start doing some real sailing and their ships were holding them back, so they invented a new ship that could do what they needed. That's why I brought it up.

A; None of the waypoints crossing the Atlantic would be hard to find for experienced sailors.

I'm not really sure about that. Even the Norse that had made the trip before missed Iceland sometimes, never mind the smaller islands.

Oh, and if you keep heading East you will get to where you want to be.

East to the New World? I suppose that would work, but that's not the direction that I'd take. Did you mean west?

B; The shores both North and South that you mention were not as close as you seem to indicate.

The north and south shores of the Mediterranean are a hell of a lot closer than the north and the south shores of the Atlantic are. Again, if you find yourself lost in the Mediterranean and you're heading east or west, simply turn north or south. There is a coast there, and you can follow that coast to wherever you're going...which is likely how most sailors were doing it at the time anyway. It's awfully hard to get lost when you have an unchanging landmark constantly in sight, and if something goes wrong on the water, being within sight of land isn't a guarantee of safety but it gives you options.

C; Not as safe as a swimming pool is kind of an understatement is it not. I have never sailed the Mediterranean but I have the Great Lakes (and in the Atlantic) and their bottoms (Great Lakes) are full of ships that thought as you do. Come on to Michigan and I'll take you for a boat ride.

Is the weather on the Great Lakes a lot like the weather in the Mediterranean?

D; We are not in the 1200s, we are in 1307. A few years earlier the Order had purchased some Venetian ships of which they did quite often and when they had others built which were documented by several historians they were of modern (late 13th century) Venetian design with sails for propulsion.

Yes. Those were the crap boats that I mentioned earlier. Again, if the existing ships were good for anything other than coastal runs, the Portuguese wouldn't have bothered inventing something for deep water. There would have been no need.

Just go into it with an open mind. I loved it so much I would forget when it was time for supper. I liked it better than food. Petter Amundsen is a remarkable man with a very intelligent mind. Everyone for the past 400 years including all scholars and all that tried to prove that Francis Bacon wrote Shakespeare and not Shakespeare himself. All of these educators and I mean all of them never saw what was written right in front of their eyes. The RC did just like the Knight's Templar and the KGC, they all would put it right out in the open in your face and if you did not look very very closely you would never see it.

Uh...I'm not sure what to say in response to that.

I have been into this kind of thinking which I call abstract thinking and that may be the wrong name but anyway I have been doing the same thing with the KGC for the past seven years. I solved the mystery of the lost Confederate Gold and much of the KGC Gold by not looking at things like others.

I won't ask you about the specifics, but I'll merely leave you with this: if you (or someone else) didn't dig up treasure where your cracked code said that it should be, the code might not actually be cracked.

Petter Amundsen will always be remembered as the man that broke the RC codes in the 400 year old Shakespeare books and plays. If not, I will always hold him in high regard as one of the most intelligent persons of modern times.

If he will always be remembered like that, then there is no sense in clarifying the "if not" case, right?

 

[Tnmountains]

After every commercial on the oak Island series they rehash everything that happened before the commercial and then add very little and go to another commercial then rehash it again. It is always an endless loop of speculation saying "Could the treasure,,,,,, could the Templars...........
I refuse to watch a redundant show of speculation and very little action. I hope to read in some Archeological news that they find something but as of yet it has always been crickets for Oak Island.
The final straw was a guy with dive gear and a metal detector flat on his belly in a foot of water.

 

[lokiblossom]

Yet they stayed there for a number of years before they'd been granted legitimacy. (And presumably they just kept on doing Templar things.) If everyone was fearing for their lives, I'd expect a mass exodus.



Is there a reference somewhere of Europeans using a kamal during that period of time? As for the cross staff, the earliest mention of it in European literature is not far off from the period of time that we're discussing, but the author of that piece was not a Templar. Or was he? The introduction of the magnetic compass in Europe is actually a bit of a mystery. Don't you want to talk about that?



But it does! The Portuguese wanted to start doing some real sailing and their ships were holding them back, so they invented a new ship that could do what they needed. That's why I brought it up.



I'm not really sure about that. Even the Norse that had made the trip before missed Iceland sometimes, never mind the smaller islands.



East to the New World? I suppose that would work, but that's not the direction that I'd take. Did you mean west?



The north and south shores of the Mediterranean are a hell of a lot closer than the north and the south shores of the Atlantic are. Again, if you find yourself lost in the Mediterranean and you're heading east or west, simply turn north or south. There is a coast there, and you can follow that coast to wherever you're going...which is likely how most sailors were doing it at the time anyway. It's awfully hard to get lost when you have an unchanging landmark constantly in sight, and if something goes wrong on the water, being within sight of land isn't a guarantee of safety but it gives you options.



Is the weather on the Great Lakes a lot like the weather in the Mediterranean?



Yes. Those were the crap boats that I mentioned earlier. Again, if the existing ships were good for anything other than coastal runs, the Portuguese wouldn't have bothered inventing something for deep water. There would have been no need.

There was a mass exodus, from France, but during that exodus 2500 Templars were unaccounted for! And btw, I never wrote, everybody in Europe was fearing for their lives.

No record, not the Kamal, but it probably was used in Europe before the cross staff, not important to this discussion though! The origin of the compass is difficult to trace, so no sense discussing that.

The caravel is more interesting than I first thought. I found a reference to the use of Caravel's in 1307 in the Biscanian area, the area of La Rochelle!

I suppose the smaller islands could be missed if you didn't know your latitude. Thats how Canada was first sighted by the Norse, one vessel missed Greenland.

I guess I can't call that a typo, how about "brain fart"! Yes, West!

Don't know much about sailing in the Med. other than what I read, so it can be dangerous. How about the Bay of Biscay, I understand it was very dangerous to sail, yet in the late 13th century vessels were sailing around the Iberian and across the Bay of Biscay.

Venetian boats were crap boats? Perhaps you meant "crab boats", otherwise I have never heard that before, why would a wealthy organization like the Templars buy crap boats?

Edited to add, I found an author who claims the Knights Templar used Caravels for their very lucrative wine trade up and down the Atlantic as late as 1307. That doesn't mean its true of course but something I will look into. I have always premised the use of Venetian galleys (galere)as they had usable sails and I have documentation that they had bought quite a few of over the years.

Cheers, Loki

 

[Raparee]

Thats the problem with history teachers, no open minds. Its a good thing the Ingstad's didn't listen to their history teachers!

Cheers, Loki

Seeing as Anne Stine Ingstad was a professional archaeologist, I assume that she, at least, probably DID listen to her history teachers.

 

[G.A.P.metal]

Well it`s far more exciting to be on here and read all the opinions ,than to watch the show.
I record the show and most of the time i fast forward when it gets to nutty...maybe see 3 to 5 minutes and wounder why i watched that long.
On these very cold and snowy days i can sit here and laugh for hours !
Old Blankinship stays out of it... is the real expert if there is one but won`t tell fibs for the TV.
Young Blankinship imbibes... and and puts his thoughts on here !
Gary

 

[Eldo]

 

[Eldo]

Take a load off with these memes

 

[Eldo]

 

[G.A.P.metal]

Yes Scott W. would make a fine addition to the show !

 

[lokiblossom]

Seeing as Anne Stine Ingstad was a professional archaeologist, I assume that she, at least, probably DID listen to her history teachers.

You assume? probably? I don't think that kind of talk works here!

I think that when they told her that there was no proof or factual evidence that the Vikings had been to Newfoundland she may have listened, but doubted them.

Cheers, Loki