why wont the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

[xupz]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

Sorry...I missed your guess on how many tons of gold ole Dell had excavated from any of those self-serving publicity gimmicks?

Hey SWR it could be a negative number, maybe he lost a ring or chain someone with a metal detector found later

 

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[aarthrj3811]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

I was replying to the excuse RT had posted, so if you want proof, read his post.

I don't see any posts from a RT

Betz had over 500 dowsers who failed. Is that enough, or did you want more?

I thought his results were no good because he only used one Dowser

 

[Carl-NC]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

I don't see any posts from a RT

Err, OK... then try "RealdeTayopa."

Betz had over 500 dowsers who failed. Is that enough, or did you want more?

I thought his results were no good because he only used one Dowser

So you didn't actually read the account of the Scheunen test. Am I surprised? Heck no, same ol' stuff. He performed the test with over 500 experienced dowsers. Repeated trials on many of them. Results were overwhelming failure. I would consider a test of this scale to be a "study" of dowsing.

- Carl

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

=Carl-NC linkSo you didn't actually read the account of the Scheunen test. Am I surprised? Heck no, same ol' stuff. He performed the test with over 500 experienced dowsers. Repeated trials on many of them. Results were overwhelming failure. I would consider a test of this scale to be a "study" of dowsing.- Carl
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NOPE wong type of test, have no value....

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[ClonedSIM]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

Dell, you continue to refer to Carl and Randi's challenges as a publicity and sales gimmicks.

What does Carl sell?

What does he stand to gain from offering his challenge money?

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

Err, OK... then try "RealdeTayopa."

I am sorry I didn't know you were refering to Realde. I hope you will except my excuse.

So you didn't actually read the account of the Scheunen test. Am I surprised? Heck no, same ol' stuff. He performed the test with over 500 experienced dowsers. Repeated trials on many of them. Results were overwhelming failure. I would consider a test of this scale to be a "study" of dowsing.

Most of us do not think of this Scheunen test as the Betz report. In fact most people refer to this piece of garbage as the BARN report. Excuse me for asking...is this the only study you have? All our test and experiments are right here on T-Net.....No more excuses...Post your material....Art

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

Dell, you continue to refer to Carl and Randi's challenges as a publicity and sales gimmicks.
What does Carl sell?
What does he stand to gain from offering his challenge money?

Very good question af1733.
What does Carl sell?....I have heard some rumors. Please tell us if you have ANY REAL FACTS.
What does he stand to gain from offering his challenge money? He gets to keep his REPUTATION...JUST LIKE RANDI.....Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

Dell, you continue to refer to Carl and Randi's challenges as a publicity and sales gimmicks.
What does Carl sell?
What does he stand to gain from offering his challenge money?

Very good question af1733.
What does Carl sell?....I have heard some rumors. Please tell us if you have ANY REAL FACTS.
What does he stand to gain from offering his challenge money? He gets to keep his REPUTATION...JUST LIKE RANDI.....Art

Your response makes no sense, Art.

I should tell you if I have any "real facts"? I asked a question, Art. Of course I don't have facts, otherwise I would have told you something. Do you see the difference here?

I can't find anything for sale on his site, so I'd have to say he's not selling anything.

But please, your rumors have been so accurate in the past. Tell us what you've heard...

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

What does Carl sell?....

I stand corrected....I have saw no one trying to sell any thing on this forum....

What does he stand to gain from offering his challenge money? He gets to keep his REPUTATION...JUST LIKE RANDI.....Art

Whats the odds of that ...I am 50% right..Art

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

=af1733 link=topic]Dell, you continue to refer to Carl and Randi's challenges as a publicity and sales gimmicks.
What does Carl sell?
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Himself as the ultimate authority. naturally
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What does he stand to gain from offering his challenge money?
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Ego and hedges.
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[ClonedSIM]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

What does he stand to gain from offering his challenge money? He gets to keep his REPUTATION...JUST LIKE RANDI.....Art

Whats the odds of that ...I am 50% right..Art

Now this is just funny. You made a statement then turn around and admit you're only half right.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

[SWR link=Jose's post #6 is still piffle :P
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Concidering your mental abilities and limited spatial visualization type of mind, I expected no less. I am sorry that it was too deep for you, but then you aren't alone, since your cohorts apparently can't undestand it either or are unwilling to admit that it is correct.
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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

[quote author=Being as none of the locations were ever excavated, you failed your own test (publicity gimmicks), eh?
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[ClonedSIM]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

=Carl-NC linkSo you didn't actually read the account of the Scheunen test. Am I surprised? Heck no, same ol' stuff. He performed the test with over 500 experienced dowsers. Repeated trials on many of them. Results were overwhelming failure. I would consider a test of this scale to be a "study" of dowsing.- Carl

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This is a perfect example of dowsers and their wishy-washy ways. Half the time dowsers love this test as they feel it proves dowsing somehow, and the other half of the time they dismiss it once they finally comprehend its findings.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

This is a perfect example of dowsers and their wishy-washy ways. Half the time dowsers love this test as they feel it proves dowsing somehow, and the other half of the time they dismiss it once they finally comprehend its findings.

Read the report before you become an expert on it....then start make excuses

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

=af1733 link=topic Now this is just funny. You made a statement then turn around and admit you're only half right.
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Applied Statistics af , simple no?
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"Operational definitions are inherently difficult — arguably, even impossible — to apply to mental entities, because these latter are generally understood to be accessible only to the individual who experiences them and are therefore not independently verifiable."
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[ClonedSIM]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

This is a perfect example of dowsers and their wishy-washy ways. Half the time dowsers love this test as they feel it proves dowsing somehow, and the other half of the time they dismiss it once they finally comprehend its findings.

Read the report before you become an expert on it....then start make excuses

Ahhh, so now the barn report has no merit? You were singing a different song a month ago, Art.

Let's be honest with ourselves;

Art has no idea what he believes, but the skeptics are wrong.
Realde has every answer under the sun, but not to the questions asked here.
Dell sells treasure-seeking equipment that he claims do nothing, but accuses Carl of running a sales gimmick when he sells nothing.

I have to wonder if dowsers even read their own posts sometimes....

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

[=xupz link= End result: Skeptics will never believe a dowser, EVER, and a dowser will never pass a single dowsing test. Stalemate.
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A more perfect example of a completely closed and biased thinking cannot be added. Thanks for confirming it.
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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

=af1733 link=[Art has no idea what he believes, but the skeptics are wrong.
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The ones in this lead / room sure are.
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Realde has every answer under the sun, but not to the questions asked here.
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You mean like this room's sceptics ?? However, which legitimate intelligent one are you referring to? I'll go one for one with you except for frivolous ones..
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[Jean310]

Re: why won't the doubter discuss this post #6 or #88 and ohers?

Let's be honest with ourselves;

Art has no idea what he believes, but the skeptics are wrong.
Realde has every answer under the sun, but not to the questions asked here.
Dell sells treasure-seeking equipment that he claims do nothing, but accuses Carl of running a sales gimmick when he sells nothing.

I have to wonder if dowsers even read their own posts sometimes....

Incredible. I don't know if you meant to do this or not, but in those short three sentences, you just accurately summed up all the postings in roughly the last couple of days.

Art has no idea what he believes, but the skeptics are wrong.

Realde has every answer under the sun, but not to the questions asked here.

Dell sells treasure-seeking equipment that he claims do nothing, but accuses Carl of running a sales gimmick when he sells nothing.

Nice going.

Jean