Will there be a new Tesoro for 2015?

[Crappies-n-Coins]

Sounds like there's many here who have a better grasp on engineering, design, manufacturing, and marketing metal detectors.

I can't help but wonder why any (or combination of many) of you don't simply start your own company? Then again, I guess it's just easier to complain about what someone else isn't doing to your satisfaction.

Think about it, sounds like some of you could be overnight millionaires.

 

[TheHunterGT]

Hunter, do not post inside a members quote, if you quote a member post below it or above it....

Roger that. I bolded my text under his to avoid confusion and respond to each segment individually. My apologies.

Well, that's it. I'm completely scrapping 22-years of personal experience with Tesoro machines, which I began using after spending 20-years using Garrett, Whites, and Fisher machines, thousands and thousands of hours on the headphones, and who the heck knows how many plugs, and holes dug or picked out!

I mean seriously, TheHunterGT HAS to be right, right? I mean he typed in Bold and everything! Gosh, I just can't believe I have been wrong about Tesoro all these years!

Trying to belittle me and place yourself on a pedestal because of your experience makes you look petty. Where in that quote did I slight you or your 42 years of experience? Go play violin to somebody else. I stated simple business 101 ideals....I cannot see where I even mentioned your name Terry.

As stated...I bolded my text so there was no confusion with the quoted text. Read into it however you like...seeing as how my reply had zero to do with you at all.

The simple fact is if your waiting to buy a Tesoro because they asked what everyone thought they should name their next Tesoro detector detector then that is up to you. Tesoros are knows and switches. If you don't like knob and switches then you are free to buy whatever else. For the money their performance is hard to beat and several very experienced detectorists will tell you so. I have been using tesoro detectors since the early 90s and don't intend to stop anytime soon. In the sites I hunt they have found me many great finds from old silver and coppers from the early 1800s to 1960s. I go through a vaquero every couple of years cause I can get a new one readily. My eldorado and bandido 2 I treat like babies cause they are hard to find and snatched up immediately. By the way there is an eldorado on ebay right now for someone that wants one of the best detectors tesoro ever made.

Hard to argue any of that. As this 20 page thread indicates...people have fled to buy other machines...and people are staying loyal. I think Tesoros are fine machines and do their job well. Like I said I wanted a Cibola and was convinced it would be mine for quite a few months. Then the F19 came out and and now that is my dream machine. I am actually quite fond of Tesoro....although my posts may make it seem otherwise.

I will disagree on their price-per-performance. I feel they are worth their price and nothing more. The 2X the price nonsense some loyalists spout is a pretty thin statement. Does anybody honestly think Tesoro would be in business if they increased their prices 2X? No...therefore it is nonsense to claim they are worth 2X as much or are as good as detector that are 2X the price. (I realize you did not make the 2x claim...not pointing fingers)

I personally will take my $160 Lone Star Pro over a $160 Compadre any day of the week. But that is just me and all are free to do as they please. I have to use my detector...you have to use yours. (Not you personally...everybody in general) Being a Bounty Hunter user as of now....I get it.....I tell myself my detectors are better than they probably are quite often. Since other BH users spout the same...it is easy to jump on such a bandwagon.

 

[TheHunterGT]

Sounds like there's many here who have a better grasp on engineering, design, manufacturing, and marketing metal detectors.

I can't help but wonder why any (or combination of many) of you don't simply start your own company? Then again, I guess it's just easier to complain about what someone else isn't doing to your satisfaction.

Think about it, sounds like some of you could be overnight millionaires.

An understanding of design and marketing is fairly elementary for any intelligent consumer.

As a consumer...it is obviously easier to complain about a manufacturers decision making that starting your own company.

I realize your post is sarcasm (I smiled at it ).....if I had a penny for every Tesoro users sarcastic post about how everybody else is wrong and Tesoro is the messiah of MDing....I would be that overnight millionaire.

I'll exit now...as I am no Tesoro hater and I will be damned if a fanboy full court press traps me into looking like one. Tesoros are fine machines....enjoy the Cazador.

 

[Terry Soloman]

...I will disagree on their price-per-performance. I feel they are worth their price and nothing more. The 2X the price nonsense some loyalists spout is a pretty thin statement. Does anybody honestly think Tesoro would be in business if they increased their prices 2X? No...therefore it is nonsense to claim they are worth 2X as much or are as good as detector that are 2X the price. (I realize you did not make the 2x claim...not pointing fingers)...

See, I look at it from a different angle THGT. If I spend $450.00 and find everything a $900.00 detector can find, I would say my machine is just as good as the $900.00 model.

The Cortés ($721.00) was introduced in 2001, and uses the phase shift of the target to determine what it is, then looks at the amplitude of the signal to figure the depth. It has a nine segment bar graph display representing iron; foil: nickel; round tab; square tab; zinc penny; copper penny; dime; quarter; half-dollar and dollar. There is also an ID Number display next to the bar graph. The same numbers used in 2015 by EVERYBODY.

"The ID Number takes the largest part of the signal and converts it to a two digit number. When Vince put together the scale for the ID Number, he decided to put the most resolution in the middle range of targets. This is the area where nickels, pull tabs and gold rings lie. We know that iron will always be on the low end of the scale and silver coins and jewelry will always be on the high end. So iron targets will always give a reading of 0 and silver will always give a reading of 95." - http://www.tesoro.com/product/detectors/cortes/

So, if you want one of them expensive new-fangled notch discrimination, multi-tone, screen machines, go back to the future and get a Cortes! But, if you prefer to trust your ears and experience, work that Vaquero and Tejon like a mule!

 

[jld66]

there are over 300 responses to this and all, but from a few peoples, are negative. you would think that would trigger some kind of creditable response from someone actually at tesoro. just shows the total disregard for their customers opinions. if i had a business and customers had a forum specifically for my product. i would be, or an employee, scanning through it 1-2 times a week. see what gripes, problems, and opinions from those customers and reply to those issues in an adult, civil, and professional manner. certainly i would not need an outsider speaking for me who has no more idea of what is going on with the company than anyone else. yet, claiming they do and making it worse. that should be embarrassing. if a person or a company can not stand up and speak for themselves, it is a sign of weakness. always has been and always will be. the only thing we have got in over a year is a drunkin rant meltdown reply from this Nathan, whom i would have fired on the spot over that, and made an apology for it. so, the worshipers can believe what they will. but, this is reality whether you can accept it or not.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Minelab does not address these kinds of threads either.

 

[jld66]

Minelab does not address these kinds of threads either.

with all due respect, Minelab has not created a situation for themselves like tesoro has with this cazador thing. i due appreciate you letting us all kick around our thoughts on this forum. on the other one, anything other than praise is deleted most times. thanks.

 

[Escape]

When I was a youngster I learned that you should never kick a man when he is down. Tesoro has been kicked quite a bit in this thread. The first detector I bought was the golden umax, followed by a DFX which is fully programmable with two frequencies. Technically a more advanced detector. Side. By side they each have their pros and cons. But I find one thing to be true each time I use the Tesoro, I have FUN! I always have a good idea what I'm digging from the signal even if its a snip of foil. I have found enough gold rings and nickels that I am confident in its abilities. Having fun and finding the good stuff is the reason I hunt. My golden umax provides that. Now I only wish they bring back the golden with its four tones with the addition of a manual ground balance.

 

[Crappies-n-Coins]

As this 20 page thread indicates...people have fled to buy other machines.

Likely not so (stating they "fled" like some sort of mass exodus), they're simply showing their dissatisfaction of not being able to see something they likely had no interest in buying anyway. So they try to may it seem like they've really hurt Tesoro by purchasing another brand (if they even did), akin to "I'm taking my ball and going home".

An understanding of design and marketing is fairly elementary for any intelligent consumer.

As a consumer...it is obviously easier to complain about a manufacturers decision making that starting your own company.

I realize your post is sarcasm (I smiled at it ).....if I had a penny for every Tesoro users sarcastic post about how everybody else is wrong and Tesoro is the messiah of MDing....I would be that overnight millionaire.

I'll exit now...as I am no Tesoro hater and I will be damned if a fanboy full court press traps me into looking like one. Tesoros are fine machines....enjoy the Cazador.

Then what's stopping you from producing a line of "new and improved" detectors that would out-sell and out-perform the current Tesoro line? And my post wasn't sarcasm, but since you didn't have any sort of answer as to why you don't start your own manufacturing business, I can see why you claim to see it as so, as well as making me a "fanboy" ? Do you notice I DO own 2 other brand of detectors?

Don't know that I'll even have an interest in the Caz if they ever produce one, didn't have one in the Outlaw, but only because I really don't need another detector. I guess if I wanted one I'd buy one, Tesoro or not, but in the meanwhile, I'm not gonna complain about what Tesoro (or any other company) isn't doing to satisfy me.

Ditto, enjoy your Teso.....oh wait, nevermind

there are over 300 responses to this and all, but from a few peoples, are negative. you would think that would trigger some kind of creditable response from someone actually at tesoro. just shows the total disregard for their customers opinions. if i had a business and customers had a forum specifically for my product. i would be, or an employee, scanning through it 1-2 times a week. see what gripes, problems, and opinions from those customers and reply to those issues in an adult, civil, and professional manner. certainly i would not need an outsider speaking for me who has no more idea of what is going on with the company than anyone else. yet, claiming they do and making it worse. that should be embarrassing. if a person or a company can not stand up and speak for themselves, it is a sign of weakness. always has been and always will be. the only thing we have got in over a year is a drunkin rant meltdown reply from this Nathan, whom i would have fired on the spot over that, and made an apology for it. so, the worshipers can believe what they will. but, this is reality whether you can accept it or not.

Why should they have to pay someone to "defend" them in social media such as a thread on an internet forum? You do realize costs like those get passed onto consumers, right? No company pleases everyone all the time, and attempting to do so would simply be a waste of time and resources.

I'll admit I didn't read every page of this thread (didn't need to, was just a rehash), but it seemed there were people who called Tesoro to have their questions answered, did you, or do you prefer to have someone else do it and relay the info to you?

I see you failed to address my question as well as to why you don't start your own manufacturing company as well, maybe TheHunterGT would partner-up with ya? It's a simple question nobody has cared to address.

Don't you guys like money and want to be set for life? Laying on the beach sipping on little umbrella drinks having the native girls fan you and feed you grapes sounds pretty good to me, and you've clearly shown as well you have a much better grasp on what the MD community wants/needs.

But I find one thing to be true each time I use the Tesoro, I have FUN!

There ya go! That's what it's all about, and that holds true with ANY brand detector.

 

[tabman]

Minelab does not address these kinds of threads either.

If you haven't noticed, only a handful of posters do the flaming and bashing on these type threads. Some don't even own or use Tesoro detectors. I could spend days, weeks and years posting in the other detector brand forums pointing out all the things that are wrong with those detector brands and models. I don't because I have better things to do and it would be nonproductive.

When I go to a detector forum I want to see lots of pictures of finds and read tips on how best to use a particular detector. That gets me motivated to get out and do some serious swinging.

If I thought that other detector brands were superior to Tesoro, I would be using those brands of detectors and posting pictures and tips on how to best use them in the appropriate forum. I sure wouldn't be here in the Tesoro Forum spewing out a bunch of dribble and nonsense that's nonproductive and not welcome by most.

 

[DannyB1954]

Just a question T_H, not meant as a slight, just to point out this "problem" does not happen as frequently and heatedly in the Fisher or Whites brand threads.

That may have more to do with the other brands occasionally improving their products. You can't say that people should complain about a stagnant line of machines when the manufacturer is coming out with improved models all the time. As an example, why would someone in the Fischer forum complain about no new models? The original intent of this thread was about a new Tesoro model, not how great or wonderful the old models are.

I would like to buy American, however I do not insist on it. I am looking at Deeptech and Detech EDS. Watching Youtube videos, the European machines do appear to be more capable. I spend a considerable amount of money on this activity, but a lot of thought goes into every purchase. I try to buy the best and not just what has been working well in the past. I like my Lobo, but it is limited it what I can do with it. I am still considering a Tejon, but now have to wonder if someone else hasn't made an improvement to their machines during the last 10 years.

 

[Welgund]

All machines nowadays have there pitfalls. There is no machine that can do it all. On minelab detectors some prefer the older BBS tech over the newer FBS tech. They are known for there ability to ID old deep silver. They don't work ad well on small gold or places littered with iron and square nails like there VLF brethren. If you are an old park/manicured lawn hunter they are the cream of the crop save being on the heavy side and hard to swing 6 or 7 hours a hunt. The Deus a high end machine and widely considered the best detector for old sites with lots of iron has crap ID past seven inches or so but the tones of the machine shine past that and if you get that sweet cats meow you better dig it even with no TID reading. I don't even hardly use my remote anymore just the backphones. If I hunted nothing but parks and water then I see no reason to own anything else but a ctx 3030. If the deus had a smaller 3 x 6 or 5 in coil probably wouldn't need anything else for what I hunt. But if I was on a fixed income and could only afford one detector then it would be the vaquero with the 5.75 concentric for the type of hunting I do.

 

[Hobojo]

I can't wait till December 31st 23:59.59s 2015, then we can put this thread to rest.

 

[DannyB1954]

I look at the people who come to the defense of Tesoro for not upgrading their machines, and under their names I look at the machines that they own. Something must be lacking in the Tesoro line up, no? Why even have other brands if Tesoro is the pinnacle of perfection? I think the biggest gripe is Tesoro led people to believe there would be a new model, then never delivered it. They asked for the name of the baby before anyone was even pregnant. It is more a matter of disappointment rather than rage.

I believe everyone would like to see Tesoro do well and prosper, but the fact is car manufacturers used to make the same car for a number of years. They soon realized that their customers from the previous year were buying the new models that their competitor just came out with. People like new features, otherwise we would all be driving model T's and Harley Davidsons.

 

[Crappies-n-Coins]

Why even have other brands if Tesoro is the pinnacle of perfection?

Feel free to point me to the post claiming anything of the sort?

 

[DannyB1954]

Feel free to point me to the post claiming anything of the sort?

So then you agree there is room for improvement. This begs the question Why has little effort been put to the cause?
1. R&D money went to exec bonus/ salary
2. No engineers will work for Tesoro
3. Tesoro has a ton of old machines that haven't sold and with a new machine out, they won't be.
4. Just general lack of interest.
5. All of the above.
6. None of the above fill in the reason __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __

Anyway, I just stuck myself with a fork and found out I am done. I may still buy a Tejon, but then I may just get a large coil like the 11 x 8 coil for the Lobo to see what it will do, (have not seen youtube video on this combo. It was mentioned by Scannerguy1968 but not shown.

 

[Welgund]

DannyB1954 the same guy that made that video about the lobo had a shootout with 4 migrate machines including the f 19 AT pro, nokta fors core and the old Vaquero and none of them beat the Vaq and only one the Fors core held its ground. That video opened a lot of eyes on a lot of forums. Modern metal detectorists who started detecting in the age of TID and notch and other bells and whistles think that is what they need to succeed. It all comes down to disc and tone. The better the disc to get rid of the trash and let you know the good target is there the better the machine. I set my tesoros at the notch just before nickel and dig it all. This gives me a 60/40, 50/50 trash to treasure ratio in which I can walk away confident I got everything from the area I am hunting. No one is saying they are the best but they have there place and that's what matters.

 

[Crappies-n-Coins]

OK, thanks for providing proof of your claim. And yes, it's clearly obvious I completely agreed with you 100%

 

[jld66]

why should people have to call them and tie up phone lines, begging for a tid bit of info on it? you did not have to for the name voting, it was all done online. those in the facebook groups asking what would be a good first unit to buy, i always say tesoro's. heck, i like my vaquero. i dont hate them at all. but, the person who said they named the baby before they were pregnant. hit the nail on the head. instead of owning up to that mistake and communicating once in awhile, they say nothing. people are forgiving if they are told something. tesoro has seemed to put their fingers in their ears and said, im not listening or talking to you anymore, like a little kid. it is not the customers responsibility to stay informed. it is theirs to keep us informed. the customer is the only reason why they are in and stay in business. they have seemed to lost sight of that reasoning. it is not our privilege to buy their product, it is theirs to sell it to us. so, im not going to stroke their ego's on here for their marketing mistake. until an actual rep from them comes on and takes a few minutes of his time and actually says something constructive, they deserve every bit of it as far as im concern. when i have made mistakes with my small business, nobody handled me with knit gloves.

 

[DannyB1954]

OK, thanks for providing proof of your claim. And yes, it's clearly obvious I completely agreed with you 100%

I made a claim? I hope there is gold in it. I thought I asked a question. Actually I did read all of the posts as they happened. Not going to do that twice to satisfy someone else. lots of people here whining about those who dislike Tesoro public relations. even complaints to the moderator about it. After my last post I ordered an 11x8 coil for the Lobo and took it to the park with the 5 3/4 coil I have for it. Discrim was up to 8 and I still got pull tabs. It is going to be strictly a nugget and relic machine from this point on.