You CANT Do THAT Here!

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I had a little time between appointments today, so I jotted on over to the local high school. This site was once a former plantation home, then a school was built there in the early 1950’s. Everything from Barber coins to common clad has come out of there. And while finds have diminished over the years, it has always offered a restful place to detect when school is out. Until today.

I was working along some trashy sidewalks with my sniper coil, when I looked up at the sound of a car going by. This was at the back of the school, where interim classrooms are sited. It was an odd place for a car, so I was not really surprised to see it was a cop car prowling along. My next thought was that they had seen my truck parked nearby, under the trees.
“Uh oh,” I mumbled. “This can't be good.“
So I clicked off and went to talk to them. Better to go to them, than to have them come looking for me.

As I rounded the classroom building, a cop was standing next to my truck, looking around nervously - looking for me, no doubt. She had her walkie-talkie microphone in her hand and was speaking into it.

I hollered and waved, smiling broadly as I approached. "Looking for me?" I called.
At the sound of my voice the policewoman spun around and made a bee-line for me.

"What are you doing here?" she demanded. Few good encounters start out with that phrase.
So, I held up my detector and pointed out the obvious to her.

"Oh, well... you cant do that here!"'

"Why?" I asked.

"Only students and faculty can be on school property," she declared smugly. Without asking, she was certain I was neither.

It didn’t matter that both of my children graduated from that very high school. Nor was it known that I knew most of the teachers at one time, and many of the students, too. And I pay my taxes to keep the place in operation, like everyone else. It didn’t even matter that I had known this very policewoman personally, for years.

"Now Penny, you can see I’m not up to any harm, can’t you? How long have you known me?
What if I told you I returned a high school ring to its owner last year - a ring found on these very school grounds? This is my hobby.”

"Well, that’s nice of you Mr. H. But you can’t be here, doing that sort of thing. We’ve had break ins…"

So there it was, the "The Unassailable Break-in" excuse. I had been waiting for that. When all else fails, use the threat of security.
I mean, when has a school not faced the threat of break ins… and how can anyone muster a rally against that? I knew, then, that the jig was up.

About that time the second cop car arrived and stopped a little too abruptly, swirling up a big cloud of dust for effect.
The summoned back-up had arrived!
I felt kind of important actually, a middle aged detectorist that rated backup. The new cop jumped from the car and made straight for the other officer. The two of them talked quietly amongst themselves, never once speaking to me. I might have not been there for all the care they showed me.

Back Up Cop finally turned and said officiously, "You can't do that here; you can do it anywhere else you want, just not here."

"So that’s how it is, eh?" I retorted politely.

"Yes, sir, we’re just doing our jobs."

Again, how does a decent citizen argue with that untouchable statement?
Controlling authority figures have relied on it for compliance down through the ages for good reason.

I suppose it is a sign of the times. The sad thing is, it will be hard to drum up support for my high-school detecting case, when I mount my inevitable protest. See, most other people will blindly accept it, parroting the New Age line, "The cops are just looking out for the kids, you know."
So what am I, chopped liver? I also have a stake in protecting my neighborhood school and would turn in anyone I thought was suspicious.

In fact, once it was learned that I am a decent citizen with nothing up my sleeve but my arms, these authorities ought to say,
"Oh, you’re alright, Mr. H., and you know - it‘s good to see you.
By the way, if you see anything suspicious, please let us know. There have been break-ins, after all..."

But I'm dreaming, aren't I? Perhaps in another time, it might have happened that way.

Today, the Great Collective Mind kicks in, and slips on it’s smiling mask. Much frowning goes on behind that mask, however, over anything that smacks of independent activity. The New Agers can’t relate to you being alone within their realm of authority, pursuing some harmless activity.
Suspicion is their by-word, "We need to pass a law!" their motto.

Once it is known that you are within their sphere of influence, yet out of their direct control... on school grounds, no less... well, something must be done about that. It is just that simple, for them. We have rules, you know.

"Go somewhere else, sir,” they'll say. “And remember - you can’t do that here. Oh, and have a nice day.“
 

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Goto the next town meeting and ask them why a tax payer has no right to metal detect there?
I asked my town and they could care less if I detect the parks and school.
I was told by everyone you couldn't hunt the town center. I called the Church that owned it and they where more than happy to let me detect it LOL.
The thing I hate is when everyone else thinks because you detect there they now can detect there without asking first. One time I looked up and there where 2 more detectorist in the common with me who didn't even ask if they could hunt it.
 

You're right, you can't win that one, but it would make a better story if you had argued and got hauled away to the pokey !!
 

The thing is, this is not funny, because it is happening all too often. A school here, a park there, in one town then another. You hear stories like this all the time now.

I think I would have a chat with the chief of police in your town, especially if the cops know you.
 

This has nothing at all to do with metal detecting. If I am understanding your description, you could have been a jogger, kite-flyer, someone using the monkey-bars, etc.... Ie.: just controlled usage of ALL after-school-grounds usage, no matter what your purpose was/is.
 

Shambler said:
You're right, you can't win that one, but it would make a better story if you had argued and got hauled away to the pokey !!
Youre right, it would have made better telling. But Ive been to jail in the past and I didnt relish the experience enough to have it repeated.

I will contact the school level administrators next. I dont see much in it for them, though, except a sharp eyed detectorist helping to keep an eye on the place. Anyway, that will be part of my pitch.

I expect they will take the easy way out and side with the strongarms. This isn't my first run-in with the local gentry electorate/appointees. It's a good fight, so worth fighting, but its one I expect to lose.

Its almost enough to make me go back to RC planes!
 

Tom_in_CA said:
This has nothing at all to do with metal detecting. If I am understanding your description, you could have been a jogger, kite-flyer, someone using the monkey-bars, etc.... Ie.: just controlled usage of ALL after-school-grounds usage, no matter what your purpose was/is.
That is correct, Tom. The words alone excluded all activity unless I was a student or faculty member. Metal detecting wasn't specifically forbidden, although, I was told that I cant be doing {{THAT!}}, :o
This implies something dastardly, or at least suspicious, in their eyes. As others have said, it was a tacit accusation, with me the suspect.

Had I been exercising, kite flying or walking the dog, however, I suspect I would have been deemed acceptable.
 

I don't even think I would go to the school addmin, rather talk to the grounds keeper, explain how you do things & let him know you are a local & having a responsible adult around while class is out could prevent those burglary's. Dam the rookie cops, a Friend & I were in another town searching a school when one of the local cops pulls up on his bike. Having any luck was the first thing out of his mouth, right there I knew he was OK (he at least was smart eonugh to know what I was doing) Not much but having fun I reply. OK you know you should not be here during class hours right? that's why we came on Saturday, and off he went.
 

Spooky said:
Surprised you didn't get beat down or tased.

You know, so you know your "place, citizen"

And "just doing our Job" is BULL --deleted--...answer.
It wasn't good enough for the Nazis, or guards at Abu Ghraib it shouldn't be good enough for them.

If this happens AGAIN, don't be challenging, or even look them in the eye.
they will use ANY EXCUSE to escalate the situation and bully you.
It's what they DO.
Metal Detecting is a recognized recreational activity unless SPECIFICALLY AND IN WRITING prohibited and posted, and if a place is open to play "frisbee" or "baseball", it is such for Responsible MDing.
Destroying property or violating "no trespassing" signs barred, of course.

You need to record their names, the situation, go to their station, speak to a shift supervisor,ask them politely if there was a complainant on record.

If there is NOT, ask why officers would prohibit you from a recognized recreational activity.

Let somebody (SPECIFICALLY a supervisor) KNOW that there WILL be questions asked, and you won't just "lie down" and "drink the koolaid"

Like I said, NEVER do it "In the field" Cops are notorious bullies with massive egos and relish a chance to escalate the situation.
Then YOU become the "Bad Guy" and the "heroic officers" were merely being the "Thin Blue Line"
I like the way you think. Lets be clear - I was not on the ballfields or other recreational area. As I said in the beginning I was among the classroom breezeways, off the beaten path.
Does that make a difference? Not to me - I was still doing no harm, a fact which no one bothered to determine. It was simply that I "cant be there."

Will it do any good to protest to the cops. I doubt it. But I will. Thanks for the technique.
 

A friend once said, "Police are to uphold the law, not break it to make it work."
 

The one thing i can say about our men in blue " I have no respect for them any more who knows could be i never did " Like was said they do lie they have big ego's to big. I was a prison guard at one time and these people just plain disgusted me not the "prisoners" .......... "the guards & the police " One thing i learned never trust a police officer.....
 

Spooky said:
Keppy said:
The one thing i can say about our men in blue " I have no respect for them any more who knows could be i never did " Like was said they do lie they have big ego's to big. I was a prison guard at one time and these people just plain disgusted me not the "prisoners" .......... "the guards & the police " One thing i learned never trust a police officer.....

Well yeah..
YOU like ME saw it from the INSIDE.
I would trust most of the people labeled "criminals" before I would trust a cop.
At least THEY have no illusions about what they are.
Your right on there.
 

Spooky said:
Ja, I learned a LONG time ago what their tricks are.
You see I WAS a police officer.
Maybe that is why I can't stand to be around most of them.
I know how they lie.

They will use public perception of them being "Heroic Defenders and protectors" and bend and twist it to suit their own arrogant ideals.

They will take ANY "challenge" to their massive egos and privileged status as an excuse to "enforce the law"
And in that situation, you CAN'T win.

But you CAN go over them.
Police Administrators are just looking for the easiest possible way to spend the time before their cushy pension.

So, if it looks like you will stir things up ABOVE them, and make wore "work' for them by demanding your rights and fairness, they will concede.

DO NOT give up, do NOT give in, and take names.
This is not a "cop bash" - I have no gripe with them in general. So lets not turn it into that. But I recall my brothers words; he was an ex-cop: "Any cop worth the name will find something to suspect you of."

Did you get that? Citizen Suspect.

I didn't ask their permission and they were surprised by my presence, the ultimate violation to a cop.

Spooky's right, they should explain their assumptions about me. They wont have to, because it is a school, in this town.
But I can call for it.
 

"You can't do that here; you can do it anywhere else you want, just not here."


Did he just give you a green light on the rest of the town?
 

dahut said:
Spooky said:
Surprised you didn't get beat down or tased.

You know, so you know your "place, citizen"

And "just doing our Job" is BULL --deleted--...answer.
It wasn't good enough for the Nazis, or guards at Abu Ghraib it shouldn't be good enough for them.

If this happens AGAIN, don't be challenging, or even look them in the eye.
they will use ANY EXCUSE to escalate the situation and bully you.
It's what they DO.
Metal Detecting is a recognized recreational activity unless SPECIFICALLY AND IN WRITING prohibited and posted, and if a place is open to play "frisbee" or "baseball", it is such for Responsible MDing.
Destroying property or violating "no trespassing" signs barred, of course.

You need to record their names, the situation, go to their station, speak to a shift supervisor,ask them politely if there was a complainant on record.

If there is NOT, ask why officers would prohibit you from a recognized recreational activity.

Let somebody (SPECIFICALLY a supervisor) KNOW that there WILL be questions asked, and you won't just "lie down" and "drink the koolaid"

Like I said, NEVER do it "In the field" Cops are notorious bullies with massive egos and relish a chance to escalate the situation.
Then YOU become the "Bad Guy" and the "heroic officers" were merely being the "Thin Blue Line"
I like the way you think. Lets be clear - I was not on the ballfields or other recreational area. As I said in the beginning I was among the classroom breezeways, off the beaten path.
Does that make a difference? Not to me - I was still doing no harm, a fact which no one bothered to determine. It was simply that I "cant be there."

Will it do any good to protest to the cops. I doubt it. But I will. Thanks for the technique.

when you arrive at the offending station,ask the 'super" if he,or she is a "public servant"?..if they respond in the affirmative,
tell he,or she to go get YOU a glass of water!..don't be alarmed,..they HAVE to do this for you!

(h.h!)
j.t.
 

Hey, dahut.

Why don't you invite the Mayor out to learn metal detecting? After all, a relaxing hobby would help him/her unwind after a hard day of mayoring, wouldn't it? :laughing7:
 

first of all, I wouldn't have gotten up or looked at them. I would let them do what they do, they observe and draw their own conclusions, regardless of who you are.
second, never walk up and act all friendly to a cop, they will think you have something to hide. nobody walks up to a cop they don't know on a personal level and has a smile and wave and how do you do. it just doesn't happen.
remember one thing that police officer had no right or law to back them up when they said you can't do that here.
that is a public school owned by the school district. it's not city owned property
 

I spent ten years with the SHeriffs Office where this happened and I know alot of the Public Safety Officers in the city. They,like most of the cops I know are hardworking and honest. Most don't need the headache of escalting a simple encounter with a citizen into something unnecessary and most aren't looking to bully anyone around. The school administrators in this area are really strict about persons on school property and I suspect that if you had of been on a playground or around the ballfields Penny might have been more understanding but I can't speak for her. I'm certainly not saying that you are wrong for being there but it's just the way it is now in the post 911 days.
 

Shambler said:
I'm sure all these "i hate cops" posts help our cause :laughing7:
Yep, you are right. What I think is funny is the ones always doing the most complaining say they "used to be cops". I just figure these brave macho talking ex cops couldn't handle the job and blame the hard working cops for there failures. Now bashing the police on a website makes them feel all big and bad. :laughing9: :laughing9:
 

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