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[Older The Better]

Finally got a great in situ point, the consensus from non archeology people is that it’s a fish. I haven’t taken a deep dive into identifying yet but nothing in overstreet jumped out at me as an obvious choice.






The other things ive found indicate early archaic.

Update: not rice lobed, possibly rice shallow notch if it’s rice at all, has a similarity to pike county but the notches are deeper another decent option is Gibson but the base is concave not convex and the time period is off although that’s not a deal breaker. Big sandys have some similarities but the shoulders seem weaker and it has a bit more of a needle tip

 

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[welsbury]

I like it but no clue on type. Great set of pics too.

 

[Older The Better]

I’m thinking just a convenient thinning flake but looks almost like a flute on the one side, not holding my breath on that one though.

 

[Jeff H]

You are correct in your assumption that I might like it.

 

[Zep11in]

Beautiful point....my best guess would be a Big Sandy variant. Congrats!

 

[Relicgrubber]

Hopewell...

 

[sandchip]

I see more Greenbriar in it than Big Sandy, but that's just my HO. Great find, whatever it is.

 

[Older The Better]

I may be sold on Logan creek

 

[antmike915]

You're right, I like it. I was thinking Greenbrier too but the Logan Creek looks just as good.

 

[Garscale]

Looks like a Hemphill Dalton and a pretty darn nice one too. Congrats on an old artifact. Transitional paleo

 

[Older The Better]

Looks like a Hemphill Dalton and a pretty darn nice one too. Congrats on an old artifact. Transitional paleo

Hmmm I thought I was happy with Logan creek but now you got me thinking again, most of the Logan creeks had a much more narrow notch and I’m a little out of range

I can definitely see the Hemphill dalton but the ears seem to point more outward and less down. But the fish comments from people I know had me wondering if it was a dalton variant.


The greenbrair was good but well out of range i found this in se Kansas.

It seems like there’s a noticeable problem with each option, hopewells varieties usually had convex bases, big sandy usually had stronger shoulders.

 

[Garscale]

Here is the classic Hemphill outline .

 

[DaveSmith]

Very Nice!

 

[monsterrack]

I'm not familiar with types in your area but what I see is a Rice Shallow notch.
I know this may start a debate but I think that to many folks put to strong of a faith in styles by books. They are great to give you an idea to start to ID your point , but the truth is that all Native American didn't knapp like the guy next door and also some points were collected by another person an redesigned. JMO

 

[sandchip]

...but the truth is that all Native American didn't knapp like the guy next door and also some points were collected by another person an redesigned. JMO

Amen. So very true.

 

[Older The Better]

rice was my first impression but the ears seem much more defined.

It’s great when a point fits just right but I agree that we are arbitrarily breaking up points into forms that probably lie more on a wide spectrum.

I’ll probably just do what I do with a bunch of them, follow the evidence that seems to point to a mid to early archaic cluster of forms and leave the id open ended until I uncover more solid evidence.

 

[Older The Better]

I’m more excited to get a perfect point in situ, been trying off and on to get one for over a year. It could be lying exactly where it was dropped 5-10k years ago.

It’s hard to see when the hole is damp from rain but it’s sitting right at the top of a red layer which I think is a paleosol... I don’t remember everything from my geoarchaeology class but I do remember around here if you find a red buried soil it has paleoindian potential.

 

[Garscale]

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I’m more excited to get a perfect point in situ, been trying off and on to get one for over a year. It could be lying exactly where it was dropped 5-10k years ago.

It’s hard to see when the hole is damp from rain but it’s sitting right at the top of a red layer which I think is a paleosol... I don’t remember everything from my geoarchaeology class but I do remember around here if you find a red buried soil it has paleoindian potential.

Its a transitional paleo point regardless of what we call it. That's pretty much exactly where it should be sitting. The start of clays is generally close to the lowest occupation layers however when you have a fly soil mix it can easily contain paleo artifacts.

 

[MAMucker]

I like it!

 

[Tnmountains]

Great insitus. Bet when you saw the edge sticking out you were pumped up. We used to show more insitus but it seems most times we just grab them and keep going. Nice one!