Sorry, let’s see oh 10,000 years ago we throw these words around loosely folks, hell we can’t even prove the facts of 500 years ago. Point is scholars, professor, the so-called experts with there are none in this world experts, please. I’m sad to say schools you lousy education system that’s predetermined to teach you certain things are so way off off history, they don’t even teach local history folks. If it’s not important that so be it, but myself and friend use the oldest maps we can find , find and enter old foundations link them to actual names of people and when you tell folks about 200 years ago they say really. Point is stick to the lakes and rivers don’t attempt to speak big like oceans when most of you especially the education system that honestly is lost, I no from speaking to a few off the record, they say the circriculum is predetermined and teach that, gee I will end by saying we are an ignorant society because schools wasting time , I can go research , read maps , groundwork myself and show facts of early settlers no garbage reality tv, nobody wants to find the truth they rather live in fantasy land