Did Anyone Even Bother to Consider What the Maps Might Have to Say?

[gjb]

Before rushing off to tell self-styled ‘critical thinkers’ that the Kidd map question has been solved in spectacular fashion maybe it would have been appropriate to take a look at what the Palmer maps themselves might have to say about the matter and manner of a solution.

If we rotate the Palmer maps such that East aligns North then it may become clearer that both may contain a message.

These messages are more or less lost in the interior detail of each which might be appreciated better should they be de-cluttered. Note that a portion of the Coral Island map detail is known to have been coloured red.

The above is just my interpretation, but what this may actually be saying is, at this stage, less important than the possibility that it may be telling us something. You will note that on the Skeleton Island map I’m suggesting that the lower portion may well be an illustration of the instructions leading up to the lower of the three ‘stumps’ or points.

The easterly ‘stump’, I suggest, is marked by a Greek gamma on its side and this connects to a similar point to the north also marked by a gamma. However, this one looks like a '2' next to a zero. I’m then suggesting that maybe the ‘20' has nothing to do with the ‘Turtles’ as this may well simply be the name of the island: Tortue or Tortuga.

With respect to the Coral Island map the message looks to be very different. I have marked one point in green and above that are three points in red connected by dotted or dashed lines, the end point being marked with an ‘X’. The centre point is marked with a Greek Omega (in blue) to its left.

These two Greek letters are significant in that historically gamma substituted for the First Point of Aries (signifying East) and omega substituted for the First Point of Libra (signifying West).

Thus, these maps are of the same island but with different instruction sets and potentially different internal messaging. The Rainbow Island map and the Canister map do not communicate anything at all similar. However, these far more detailed maps are declared to be copies of the less detailed maps!

If the Skeleton Island map is fake then so too is the Coral Island map, and whatever these two maps may be trying to tell us is considered of no importance whatsoever because it’s been decided without investigation that they are meaningless and cannot possibly predate 1903. One possible meaning is shown below.

That the Palmer maps could predate the Rainbow Island maps has to be a possibility and should be seriously considered, as too should the possibility that the maps communicate further messages either in combination with the instructions and/or supplementary to them.

That the maps are to be summarily dismissed on a mere whim is appalling. The fact that some people simply don’t want the maps to be authentic and meaningful should have no bearing on any inquiry into them. This is clearly outright prejudice at work, and this should have no place at all here.

 

[TruthbeTold]

Others here have provided actual evidence that the maps were fake. Still waiting on any actual evidence from gjb that they are not.

 

[gjb]

Others here have provided actual evidence that the maps were fake. Still waiting on any actual evidence from gjb that they are not.

Get it right. Others have only presented suggestions that the maps might be fake, there is no "actual evidence" leading to proof that they are. My work provides support for the counter-suggestion that the map instructions are entirely meaningful and therefore potentially genuine.

If people refuse to read my work, because they've decided that they know all the answers without needing to do so, then that's hardly my fault. You say you're waiting on evidence from me, but unfortunately my book is not going to knock on your door and introduce itself!

 

[BennyV]

Get it right. Others have only presented suggestions that the maps might be fake, there is no "actual evidence" leading to proof that they are. My work provides support for the counter-suggestion that the map instructions are entirely meaningful and therefore potentially genuine.

If people refuse to read my work, because they've decided that they know all the answers without needing to do so, then that's hardly my fault. You say you're waiting on evidence from me, but unfortunately my book is not going to knock on your door and introduce itself!

Curious. Are you linking this map with oak island?

 

[TruthbeTold]

Get it right. Others have only presented suggestions that the maps might be fake, there is no "actual evidence" leading to proof that they are. My work provides support for the counter-suggestion that the map instructions are entirely meaningful and therefore potentially genuine.

If people refuse to read my work, because they've decided that they know all the answers without needing to do so, then that's hardly my fault. You say you're waiting on evidence from me, but unfortunately my book is not going to knock on your door and introduce itself!

I've read your book on oak island.

Nothing but random theories with zero basis in fact. Many others have drawn lines over the island (different than yours) referencing connections to pyramids, atlantis, etc., but in the end they are all just fiction.

Cryptid1990 produces actual historical evidence in his posts to back his statements in regards to William Kidd..

 

[gjb]

I appreciate that people here will be hanging on Cryptid’s every word, noting his declarations that I’m an out-and-out liar trying to steal his thunder, if not his glory, that my work is nonsense and that I’m a crackpot. However, that's simply his polite way of telling people that he disagrees with the results of someone else's research.

Following on from the preceding discussion in the OP, I trust that the open-minded here will have the capacity to appreciate the possibility that, despite appearances, the Skeleton Map could be authentic and meaningful and, in so doing, might also contemplate that the Coral Island Map may similarly be so. Despite what so many here say, this is actually an open question and should not be declared closed simply because people permit their emotions to rule their thinking.

This possibility exists and it is suggested that the maps appear to be depicting the same island, so the instructions could be identifying the same point on this island or perhaps another point entirely. This latter thought was expressed by Harold Wilkins in his Death Valley Island book: he suggests that there were several deposits and, therefore, several maps.

There is a process of thinking, which some here have obviously never heard of, that proceeds from a particular question: the question is “What if?” Thus, one might say, “What if the Coral Island Map and Skeleton Map are genuine and identify different points on the island?” It will be appreciated that one could thereafter assess the implications and potential consequences of this being so. I acknowledge that most people here must assuredly know this, but there are clearly some who seem not to. Thus, 'what if?' is the essence of this thread.

We have two sets of instructions, so we can not only compare them but we might also combine them since we assume that they're on the same island. I have shown a possible interpretation of the Skeleton Map instructions in the OP and I’ll simply continue with this line of thinking. For anyone new to the Palmer maps, the Coral Island instructions are widely considered to read: 515 SE and by 50 N; 36 NE 36 NE Rocks; 3 feet by 3 feet by FOUR. However, George Edmunds has pointed out that the ‘515' is actually faded (see the image in his book).

Wilkins reports the instructions as directing the treasure hunter to: “Step out so many feet by a compass bearing which will bring him to a big tree, when he will swing round to another compass point and head for certain rocks where - blank feet by blank feet will be something worth investigating with picks and shovels.”

The unit of measure Wilkins mentions (feet) appears solely on the last line, and I don’t know from where he got the idea of a tree being present, but I’ll describe the point this way for convenience. Clearly, we can plot the instructions, as below.

At right in the image above, the eastmost rock is assumed to be the same as the eastmost Rock (Stump) of the Skeleton Island Map. The West Rock (Stump) may then then be introduced in order to match the internal detail of the Coral Island Map as shown in the OP. Thence, transferring focus to the suggested working of the Skeleton Island Map we would have:

I suggest that we might then do with the Coral Island Map what was done with the Skeleton Island Map: we take the mid-point of the length represented by ‘36 NE: 36 NE’ form a triangle with the Rocks and find the centre point, which is shown in blue below.

This centre point must lie on the centre line between the Rocks some distance from the Skeleton Island Map point previously suggested. We can't be sure what is meant by the last line (perhaps 3 feet + 3 feet + 4 = 10 feet?), but if continuing in the same direction then this might be seen to indicate the mid-point between the two Rocks.

If this interpretation is anywhere near correct then whoever ‘faked’ the Skeleton Island Map appears also to have ‘faked’ the Coral Island map in a consistent manner. Furthermore, the ‘faker’ appears to be providing messages indicating two different points on the ground. This ‘fakery’ seems far too purposeful, and perhaps needs to be considered more objectively than it has been, and is being.

We should not be starting with, “These maps are fake” or “There is no such thing as a genuine treasure map.” That’s prejudicial thinking, deciding you know the answer without undertaking a thorough investigation. Furthermore, it’s allowing other people to do your thinking for you.

Instead of assuming that these maps are copied or derived from the Rainbow Island maps perhaps we should be directing our efforts to determine whether the opposite might possibly be true. By choosing to do so it turns out that there's far more to this than immediately meets the eye, and much more to consider as a result.

It's possible that the matter is far from being closed and should not be ignored simply because people don't like the look of it. After all, if one can't be bothered to do the job properly then why even bother to consider the matter at all? Thus, the inquiry should not be allowed to stop at the Rainbow Island Map, in 1903. There's far more to it than that - still far more to be discovered about the maps prior to this date.

 

[TruthbeTold]

Gjb states: "What if?"

That is not a tangible fact.

That is a common term (along with "Could it be?) on a scripted fictional tv show called the curse of oak island.

Just as with your book, all the reference lines and points in your post could be overlaid on any island along with claims of a fantastical treasure stated.

Do you have any actual evidence to support your claims? As Wilkins is a known pseudo fiction writer, his writings carry no weight.

 

[Cryptid1990]

I have now provided irrefutable proof in my thread that the Kidd-Palmer maps were copied from RI.

I will not further post in this thread but all I can say is...

 

[gjb]

I have now provided irrefutable proof in my thread that the Kidd-Palmer maps were copied from RI.

I will not further post in this thread but all I can say is...
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It's my belief that we don't know either way, but it doesn't surprise me at all that you're telling everybody that only you can possibly be right about anything. In any event, I must express my gratitude that you won't be posting here ever again.

 

[gjb]

I have to wonder why so many people here refuse to think for themselves. Why let other people speak for you? Why follow the crowd? We're quite capable of working things out for ourselves. So, why don't we?

What do the map instructions have in common and what, then, might be the common rules that bind them together? What if they’re all genuine and part of a set? What if all these so-called and self-styled ‘experts’ you’re relying on and firmly believing in have got it all wrong? They’re telling us, “There’s no such thing as a real, genuine, historical treasure map.” What if there is, or are?

Why do so many here jump to conclusions. Forget the map outlines and their provenance and focus on the instruction sets. They’re cryptic, the original text has been obscured, but they may well contain clues as to their solution. Just try to work out what the instructions might reveal should they be genuine and meaningful. Don’t listen to other people, listen to what the clues seem to be saying!

What are the instruction sets likely to be telling us should they be real? What might we be looking for, and where? There seems to be a pattern here, quite possibly a message, a focus. If it's there then it won't be found by refusing to look. What harm is there in that? It's all part of the process of reasoning. What do so many people have against reasoning? Just try it. What if?

 

[TruthbeTold]

gjb:

Now that the basis for your theory has been completely debunked by Cryptid1990, you now resort to more, "What if's" for continuing to promote fictional clues and stories?