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goldcoastwayne said:
DiveWrecks said:
Cool coin. Guess the missing digit.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/1645-Bolivia-Philip-IV-Silver-8-Reales-Cob-Coin-RR-/150455667577

Stan
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Stan...you really have me stumped on this one...I doubt it is 1645...yet alone an overdate...that is really pushing the envelope. The coin definitely is 1644 -1647 and Potosi, Juan Ximinez de Tapia. Judging from the wear in that area...I think it is a "7". I certainly wouldn't pay the premium for the dealers' presumptuous claims. All-in-all that is a very interesting coin and I would love to own it.

I have looked at that coin several times....in no way that is an overdate or double date (overdates in our coins are nothing like these..these are generally quite crude and take up a lot of room)....There just isn't enough room in that blank space. I can see a very vague outline of a numeral....sometimes I think it could be a "2" or an "8". I definitely see the line from right top to left bottom. Knowing the possible dates, which are 1644 - 1647, I would say it has got to be 1647. That "4" is just so odd....really out of proportion.
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This is an excellent coin for further speculation and study. When I say study I mean comparing meticulously with coins from multiple sources (both books and auction catalogs). The proportion of the "4" doesn't bother me. If you have Menzell's book look at the 1646 presentation piece on page 283. The last "6" is about a half the size of the "4". I'll do some more study before the auction ends in four days and we can try to solve the riddle and guestimate the value. I need to find the double struck example he is talking about....Stan
 

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DiveWrecks said:
Bulldozer hoard....
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-REALES-1715-FLEET-BULLDOZIER-HOARD-JOHN-DURHAM-/200484432473
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-REALES-1715-FLEET-BULLDOZIER-HOARD-JOHN-DURHAM-/200484431944

Stan
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Stan, I recall a story like this in the Vero area when some beach property was being developed, but I have not heard of this one. Do you or anyone know about this find in the town of Sebastian? I really don't want to comment about the coins....they are interesting. If the story had said they were found in the vicinity of one of the area Indian mounds it would be more believable, but Walmart? I truly doubt that Walmart would build on a mound site. Wow..... Wayne
 

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goldcoastwayne said:
Stan, I recall a story like this in the Vero area when some beach property was being developed, but I have not heard of this one. Do you or anyone know about this find in the town of Sebastian? I really don't want to comment about the coins....they are interesting. If the story had said they were found in the vicinity of one of the area Indian mounds it would be more believable, but Walmart? I truly doubt that Walmart would build on a mound site. Wow..... Wayne
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Yeah, its a true story. Some creative Google searching will provably turn up something on ii. Let me know if you run into a dead end and I'll look.

Stan
 

John Durham has been out there for years .. Born in Ft.Pierce.. came to fame in late 1990's , finding a cache of Seminole trade beads , from the Billy Bowleggs raiding days ..
They were selling them by the Gallon (or Quart)..

I saw him about 6 or 7 years ago at an artifact show.. he was getting quite old then..

Had an assortment of coins, artifacts and other stuff.. with alot of good stories to go with them

Not sure if he is alive not or not ..
 

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Mackaydon said:
The 1721 2R shown in the ad is not the same coin (at least to my eyes) that appears on the Cert.
Nor is the Cert. legible, even when 'enlarged'.
I've asked the seller a couple of Q.s. and wonder if he'll respond.
Don...
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Don, I thought that too, but the cert picture has the coin propped so you are looking down on it at about a 45 degree angle.

Cert has date in blank as "1721"
Box checked for Philip V and reign
Box checked for 2 reale denomination
Dated and signed by Joseph ? (Harrison, Hanson, Henderson?) "Authenticating Numismatist"

Stan
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Thats Joe Karon, Paul's son. I recognize the certificate style.
 

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wonderful early mexico 8 .. most likely 1575/1580's, alot of 4reales were made .. not too many 8 reales... with perfect die alignment..

these were considered the 1st 8 reales of the new world , until 3 Rincon 8's were found in the Padre Isl fleet..
 

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Not pretty like the last couple, but good late Potosi character.... ;D
http://cgi.ebay.com/993-INDALO-Spanish-Silver-8-Reales-1666-Potosi-E-Rare-/220623832760
http://cgi.ebay.com/INDALO-Spanish-Silver-8-Reales-1695-Potosi-Double-date-/370398065339

Another cool one (Potosi) ....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Potosi-Bolivia-1657-E-Two-Dates-Visible-Bold-Dates-VF-/350368348352

Sweeeeet (Potosi) ....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1691-Charles-II-Silver-Cob-8-Reales-Assayer-VR-/330443858169

I think I'll solder on a loop so I can wear that holed coin....
http://cgi.ebay.com/INDALO-Spanish-Silver-8-Reales-1695-Potosi-Double-date-/370398065339

One of the old 4's that Dagfoto was talking about...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mexico-Carlos-Joanna-4-Reales-ca-1560-XF-L-oM-/350368343430

Gold plated pillars....
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-MEDAL-PILLAR-COLUMNALI-SILVER-GOLD-PLATED-/270595267966

Stan
 

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What are your comments on this coin folks? I will forward to seller.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270595388277

I wrote:
Dear liska2008,
The mint mark "P" indicates Potosi. That was in the viceroyalty of Peru
then, but is modern day Bolivia. I believe the date is 1683 (not 1689). I
have some doubts about authenticity. Perfect roundness and porosity and
"soft" features that are typical of cast production. Just trying to help.
Best regards, Stan
-*divewrecks*

> Dear *divewrecks*,
> IT is authentic. it is clearly 1689. i got it from native
> americans/mexicans on pow-wow festival. the features are not soft, it just
> scraped off with time....
> -liska2008

Stan
 

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I've read about this variety before. It looks roller pressed to me. There is one author who says all the gold cobs at the Mexico mint were roller pressed after a certain date. I don't know how much I believe that, but this one really has an uneven die elongation across its face.
 

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DiveWrecks said:
dagfoto said:
1717 is just a good date for me to look for ... as well as others..
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I checked the mint figures to make sure you weren't hiding anything.... ;D

I would go with a 1713 if you see any of those lying around....

Hey, I didn't even know about the Heritage auction. Please post any future auctions you hear about....

Stan
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what does your "mint info" say about 1707 potosi 8's :icon_scratch:
 

dagfoto said:
what does your "mint info" say about 1707 potosi 8's :icon_scratch:
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Production recorded at 1,587,481 eight reale pieces. About 50% higher than in 1713.

Stan
 

1715 plate fleet?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1715-PLATE-FLEET-8-REALE-SHIPWRECK-COIN-REPRO-/350369393222

I'm not seeing much date. Someone polished this with Simichrome....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1620-DATED-8-REALES-COB-MEXICO-SPAIN-26-6-GRAMS-/220626170993

Very doubtful this is from the Consolacion. Coin is from 26 years before the sinking, does not match the patina color and corrosion levels typical of this wreck, has a cert that is not from the authorized salvors, and the seller has been proven (in this forum) to switch certs and misrepresent coins in the past. Just my unsolicited opinion... :)
http://cgi.ebay.com/1655-dated-1-Real-Consolacion-Shipwreck-Cob-Assyr-E-COA-/320552099798

Interesting countermark on cross side.... ;D
http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-DISNEY-PIRATES-CARIBBEAN-SOUVENIR-COIN-/120586244566

Stan
 

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Not a 4 reale. A cut down eight with more sides than a stop sign. Hosed up text in description says "1968 Mexico 25 Peso High Grade Silver Crown"....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1700S-Mexico-4-Reales-Silver-Cobb-19-9-Gm-/390212889450

1715 fleet gold coin ring. Ahhh, what a waste....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1715-Fleet-Gold-Coin-pure-gold-ring-mount-/330445095437

Atocha coin from the Corrigan's 1715 site?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Silver-artifact-recovered-Spanish-ship-Atocha-/220624599678

I always liked the Admiral Vernon medals....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Porto-Bello-Admiral-Vernon-1739-Commodore-Brown-37-mm-/220617706206
http://cgi.ebay.com/Porto-Bello-Admiral-Vernon-1739-Medal-38-mm-/220614874931

Stan
 

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