Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *APPRAISAL*

[Kirk PA]

KKC got out today to the site we last week. Within the first 5 minutes, I got a perfect copper signal. I was thrilled to see this whole copper smoking pipe pop out. I have been doing research and can't find much about the date of this pipe or smoking pipes being made of copper. It looks like a late-18th century one. Any help, I would appreciate. I have seen many clay pipes being found around Colonial America, but have never seen anyone find/post a copper one. It was found in the exact area where all the Colonial coins were being dug, so it could be a period find.

It was a relic day for me, but I will take it.

Keep the passion high!

Kirk

 

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[FortBedfordbob]

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That is one Cool Find ! You guys are really on THE spot for now

 

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[Kirk PA]

Re: Fully Intact 18th Century Copper Smoking Pipe

Update on my artifact:

I received a PM yesterday from 55th Massachusetts, who stated that he had some very valuable information about my pipe. He had emailed pictures of my copper pipe to a leading Archaeologist in Colonial American history. Not going into too many details, but in the PM, Robert was very excited about what information this expert had written to him concerning my artifact.

Here is the Archaeologist's succinct analysis on my artifact:

"It is nowhere near complete having lost about nine inches of its stem. Copper alloy pipes are rare but not unknown. This one is probably Dutch and late 18th century. It looks as though it had been smoked after the stem was shortened, thus explaining the indentation at the break."

I was as thrilled as anyone would be after hearing this information. I finally had my piece identified as a rare late-18th century Dutch copper pipe. I owe it all to 55th Massachusetts for consulting this expert. His last two words on the PM were, "Banner Find!" This is by far my best find for the year. When I dug it, I knew I had something different, but now I have 100% confirmation that it is a rare find indeed.

Kirk

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

Must have made your day!


ok time to move on and dig the next find.

 

[Steve in PA]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

Now go find the missing nine inches - LOL!

Glad you got some confirmation on the piece. It would be nice to get pictures of other examples for comparison.

 

[Kirk PA]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

Now go find the missing nine inches - LOL!

Glad you got some confirmation on the piece. It would be nice to get pictures of other examples for comparison.

I talked to SC Keith on the phone and he told me that he has a source that has a picture of a metal 18th century pipe. I will let him know to post it on this thread.

Kirk

 

[The Patriot]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

surprised he looked at it for you... well let's just say the ones around here wouldn't do that...

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

Hehe.I love it

 

[allen]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

Great job on saving something so amazing !!

 

[Kyle PA]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

No doubt this is one of the rare Colonial relics dug this year. 18th century Dutch copper alloy pipe!

 

[Kirk PA]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

No doubt this is one of the rare Colonial relics dug this year. 18th century Dutch copper alloy pipe!

We just had a conversation of 38 minutes of complete Colonial chatter. We are too Colonially single-minded.

Kirk

 

[Colonial Copper Zeus]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

No doubt this is one of the rare Colonial relics dug this year. 18th century Dutch copper alloy pipe!

We just had a conversation of 38 minutes of complete Colonial chatter. We are too Colonially single-minded.

Kirk

What...You mean no sports comments were exchanged?

 

[bocephus99]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

Found a little info on metal pipes from Artifacts of Colonial America, by Ivor Noel Hume. On page 308 he writes,

"As well as pipes of clay, a few were of metal. There are silver examples dating from the second quarter of the seventeenth century whose stems unscrew in the middle for portability; but the majority of metal pipes belong to the latter part of the eighteenth century, when they were made of either iron or brass. They are said to have been designed for travelers and huntsman, for whom the clay pipe was too fragile. However, the metal pipes could be painful if jolted into someone's eye, and they were not widely used. Nevertheless, fragments have been found in American excavations. In addition, the remains of a pewter pipe of uncertain date were found at Jamestown."

Not sure if this helps...but regardless, it's a super cool and a rare find...Awesome!

 

[PANNONIAN]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

Very cool pipe, But the whole lot is great,congrats!

 

[umrgolf]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

Nice update Kirk! great piece of colonial history man! they wouldn't put two brothers on the banner heh?
I'll vote for ya

 

[{Sentinel}]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

Sweet update Kirk, I was confident that's what it was! Congrats man, definitely a find for the Banner rack of any collection

 

[birdman]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

Very,very nice relic ! The first one that I have seen.

 

[Kirk PA]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

Found a little info on metal pipes from Artifacts of Colonial America, by Ivor Noel Hume. On page 308 he writes,

"As well as pipes of clay, a few were of metal. There are silver examples dating from the second quarter of the seventeenth century whose stems unscrew in the middle for portability; but the majority of metal pipes belong to the latter part of the eighteenth century, when they were made of either iron or brass. They are said to have been designed for travelers and huntsman, for whom the clay pipe was too fragile. However, the metal pipes could be painful if jolted into someone's eye, and they were not widely used. Nevertheless, fragments have been found in American excavations. In addition, the remains of a pewter pipe of uncertain date were found at Jamestown."

Not sure if this helps...but regardless, it's a super cool and a rare find...Awesome!

Great piece of information, man! Thank you so much! When he says it is rare, it is! This quote made me smile, "As well as pipes of clay, a few were of metal." A few. My pipe deserves to be recognized for its rarity and historical value.

Kirk

 

[55th Massachusetts]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

I must thank Allen for keeping the "source" of the Archaeologist off of his rare pipe post until I was given permission to reveal "who" he is!

As many of you know, Ivor Noel-Hume , the head of the Archaeology Department of Colonial Williamsburg for over 30 years, and the author of a dozen + books on Colonial Americas past, is a GOD as far as the objects from our Colonial past are concerned.

I have been in contact with him and he was delighted to see the pipe. He wrote;

"It is nowhere near complete having lost about nine inches of its stem. Copper alloy pipes are rare but not unknown. This one is probably Dutch and late 18th century. It looks as though it had been smoked after the stem was shortened, thus explaining the indentation at the break.By all means pass my thoughts on, but with the caveat that my responses are worthless unless I have had the object in my hand to study. In this instance, however, I don't think there is anything more to add." Ivor Noel Hume.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivor_Noel_Hume


GREAT PIPE!
REB

 

[Kirk PA]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

I must thank Allen for keeping the "source" of the Archaeologist off of his rare pipe post until I was given permission to reveal "who" he is!

As many of you know, Ivor Noel-Hume , the head of the Archaeology Department of Colonial Williamsburg for over 30 years, and the author of a dozen + books on Colonial Americas past, is a GOD as far as the objects from our Colonial past are concerned.

I have been in contact with him and he was delighted to see the pipe. He wrote;

"It is nowhere near complete having lost about nine inches of its stem. Copper alloy pipes are rare but not unknown. This one is probably Dutch and late 18th century. It looks as though it had been smoked after the stem was shortened, thus explaining the indentation at the break.By all means pass my thoughts on, but with the caveat that my responses are worthless unless I have had the object in my hand to study. In this instance, however, I don't think there is anything more to add." Ivor Noel Hume.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivor_Noel_Hume


GREAT PIPE!
REB

Thank you so much, Robert, for adding this piece of information. Ivor Noel Hume is the Father of Archaeology and to have him offer analysis on my artifact, I will cherish this for the rest of my life. He knows best about what I dug and probably could give expatiate more on the pipe. Thanks again, Robert, for your assistance. You are an asset to this forum.

It makes me think, I wonder how many Mr. Hume has held in his hand? This could show how Rare this artifact truly is.

Kirk

 

[{Sentinel}]

Re: Rare Late-18th Century Dutch Copper Pipe *UPDATE*

I must thank Allen for keeping the "source" of the Archaeologist off of his rare pipe post until I was given permission to reveal "who" he is!

As many of you know, Ivor Noel-Hume , the head of the Archaeology Department of Colonial Williamsburg for over 30 years, and the author of a dozen + books on Colonial Americas past, is a GOD as far as the objects from our Colonial past are concerned.

I have been in contact with him and he was delighted to see the pipe. He wrote;

"It is nowhere near complete having lost about nine inches of its stem. Copper alloy pipes are rare but not unknown. This one is probably Dutch and late 18th century. It looks as though it had been smoked after the stem was shortened, thus explaining the indentation at the break.By all means pass my thoughts on, but with the caveat that my responses are worthless unless I have had the object in my hand to study. In this instance, however, I don't think there is anything more to add." Ivor Noel Hume.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivor_Noel_Hume


GREAT PIPE!
REB

Thank you so much, Robert, for adding this piece of information. Ivor Noel Hume is the Father of Archaeology and to have him offer analysis on my artifact, I will cherish this for the rest of my life. He knows best about what I dug and probably could give expatiate more on the pipe. Thanks again, Robert, for your assistance. You are an asset to this forum.

It makes me think, I wonder how many Mr. Hume has held in his hand? This could show how Rare this artifact truly is.

Kirk

Mr. Ivor Hume is a brilliant and wise man and I'm glad that he helped with this piece. I had the honor, privelege, and pleasure of digging under him at the Jamestown settlement archaeological dig a few years ago while attending Old Dominion University and I'll tell you, when it comes to Colonial, I doubt there's anything that he has not seen.