Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp
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Geezae sat, if nothing else, I must say that you have exquisite tastes in females. sigh.
Don Jose de La Mancha
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2008 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE
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Saturna
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There is something about those Ornamental Oriental girls. 
Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp
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We agree again mi compadre swr.
Don Jose de La Mancha
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HI. Me too, but actually I am a 'little peeved' at Jacko, we were getting ready to check a few of his points together when he pulled this. sigh
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Connecticut Sam
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#3008..... I agree with you.
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GUESS-WHO said:Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp said:
buenas noches Don Jose ~ Yes, "at least it's blurry"is a pretty profound statement coming from one of the people who seem to be lost and in the wrong forum. What baffles me is, why are these people here?
Gee, now I've been off the forum for a whole year and nothing has changed. Same arm chair hunters complaining to real hunters that actually get off their butt and do something.
BTW I am back in Mindanao, got tired of setting on my butt. Anyone want to fly out their goods, I will do it for 20%.
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Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp said:
Well my Dad and Uncle called a J A P a J A P but then they both fought in the Philippines. I have known a few J A P WW2 veterans from the Philippines, two were very good friends of mine and we called them J A Ps or Old J A Ps and if they did not like us then they would have said so, but they liked us. So if the Old J A Ps were not offended but liked us, then SWR can go do what I would expect him to do. Set at home and play - - - -.
Then I get called a Cano or Gringo in the islands and I am not offended, but then I am a man about it and not some whining snot setting behind a computer.
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Zobex said:GUESS-WHO said:Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp said:
buenas noches Don Jose ~ Yes, "at least it's blurry"is a pretty profound statement coming from one of the people who seem to be lost and in the wrong forum. What baffles me is, why are these people here
Gee, now I've been off the forum for a whole year and nothing has changed. Same arm chair hunters complaining to real hunters that actually get off their butt and do something.
BTW I am back in Mindanao, got tired of setting on my butt. Anyone want to fly out their goods, I will do it for 20%.
ZOBEX
You are so right Zobex...... except they aren't even arm chair hunters, because they don't do any hunting. All they do is waste time telling everybody that everything is fake. BTW, welcome back.
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SWR said:good grief
Nice find! When I talked to some of the divers several years ago they said there is still about 82 pounds of emeralds there:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-century-Spanish-ship.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Oh I almost forgot, everything is fake. Off topic so no need to reply.
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Very interesting. Any updates?
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#3020,,, thank you for the updates that many people enjoy.
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Connecticut Danny said:
You are welcome #3021. A little more on topic is this note from my friend, who I think is much more knowledgeable with respect to the topic than anybody else here, especially those that deny that looting took place during WWII, or that the Germans looted, and the Japanese did not:
It is an inescapable fact that from the beginning of the US occupation of Japan, General MacArthur, President Truman, John Foster Dulles, and others, knew all about the stolen treasure in Japan and the continuing extraordinary wealth of the Japanese elite, despite losing the war.
In an official report on the occupation prepared by MacArthur’s headquarters and published in 1950, there is a startling admission: “One of the spectacular tasks of the occupation dealt with collecting and putting under guard the great hoards of gold, silver, precious stones, foreign postage stamps, engraving plates, and all currency not legal in Japan.
Even though the bulk of this wealth was collected and placed under United States military custody by Japanese officials, undeclared caches of these treasures were known to exist.”
MacArthur’s staff knew, for example, of $2-billion in gold bullion that had been sunk in Tokyo Bay, later recovered. Another great fortune discovered by U.S. intelligence services in 1946 was $13-billion in war loot amassed by underworld godfather Kodama Yoshio who, as a ‘rear admiral’ in the Imperial Navy working with Golden Lily in China and Southeast Asia, was
in charge of plundering the Asian underworld and racketeers. He was also in charge of Japan’s wartime drug trade throughout Asia. Kodama specialized in looting platinum for his own hoard. As this was too heavy to airlift to Japan, Kodama also helped himself to the finest gems looted by his men, taking large bags of gems to Japan each time he flew back during the war.
After the war, to get out of Sugamo Prison and avoid prosecution for war crimes, Kodama gave over $100-million in US currency to the CIA. He was also, amazingly, put on General Willoughby’s payroll, and remained on the CIA payroll for the rest of his life, among other favors brokering the Lockheed aircraft deal that became a major scandal for Japan’s Liberal Demopcratic Party. Kodama personally financed the creation of the postwar political parties that merged into the Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), strongly backed to this day by Washington.
Both Kodama and his underworld associate Sasakawa Ryiochi, were then involved with the CIA in joint recoveries of Japanese war-loot from the Philippines.
On September 2, 1945, after receiving official notice of Japan’s surrender, General Yamashita and his staff emerged from their mountain stronghold in the Kiangan Pocket on Luzon, and presented their swords to a group of U.S. Army officers led by Military Police Major A.S. ‘Jack’ Kenworthy, who took them to Bilibad Prison outside Manila. Because of gruesome atrocities committed earlier by Admiral Iwabuchi Kanji’s sailors and marines in the city of Manila (after Yamashita had ordered them to leave the city unharmed), the general was charged with war crimes. During his trial there was no mention
of war loot. But there was a hidden agenda.
Because it was not possible to torture General Yamashita physically without this becoming evident to his defense attorneys, members of his staff were tortured instead. His driver, Major Kojima Kashii, was given special attention. Since Yamashita had arrived from Manchuria in October 1944 to take over the defense of the Philippines, Kojima had driven him everywhere.
In charge of Kojima’s torture was a Filipino-American intelligence officer named Severino Garcia Diaz Santa Romana, a man of many names and personalities, whose friends called him ‘Santy’. He wanted Major Kojima to reveal each place to which he had taken Yamashita, where bullion and other treasure were hidden.
Supervising Santy was Captain Edward G. Lansdale, later one of America’s best-known Cold Warriors. In September 1945, Lansdale was 37 years old and utterly insignificant, only an advertising agency copywriter who had spent the war in San Francisco writing propaganda for the 0SS. In September 1945, chance entered Lansdale’s life in a big way when President
Truman ordered the OSS to close down. To preserve America’s intelligence assets, and his own personal network, OSS chief Donovan moved personnel to other government or military posts. Captain Lansdale was one of fifty office staff given a chance to transfer to U.S. Army G-2 in the Philippines.
There, Lansdale heard about Santy torturing General Yamashita’s driver, and joined the torture sessions as an observer and participant.
Early that October, Major Kojima broke down and led Lansdale and Santy to more than a dozen Golden Lily treasure vaults in the mountains north of Manila.
While Santy and his teams set to opening the rest of these vaults, Captain Lansdale flew to Tokyo to brief General MacArthur, then on to Washington to brief President Truman. After discussions with his cabinet, Truman decided to proceed with the recovery, but to keep it a state secret.
The treasure – gold, platinum, and barrels of loose gems – was combined with Axis loot recovered in Europe to create a worldwide covert political action fund to fight communism. This ‘black gold’ gave the Truman Administration access to virtually limitless unvouchered funds for covert operations. It also provided an asset base that was used by Washington to
reinforce the treasuries of its allies, to bribe political leaders, and to manipulate elections in foreign countries.
It was not Truman’s decision alone. The idea for a global political action fund based on war loot actually originated during the Roosevelt administration, with Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson. During the war, Stimson had a braintrust thinking hard about Axis plunder and how it should be handled when peace came. As the tide turned against the Axis, it was
only a matter of time before treasure began to be recovered. Much of this war prize was in the form of gold looted by the Nazis from conquered countries and civilian victims. To eliminate any trace of original ownership, the Nazis had melted it down, and recast it as ingots hallmarked with the swastika and black eagle of the Reichsbank. There were other reasons why the gold was difficult to trace. Many of the original owners had died, and pre-war governments had ceased to exist. Eastern Europe was falling under the control of the Soviet Union, so returning gold looted there was out of the question.
Stimson’s special assistants on this topic were his deputies John J. McCloy and Robert Lovett, and consultant Robert B. Anderson, all clever men with outstanding careers in public service and banking. McCloy later became head of the World Bank, Lovett secretary of Defense, Anderson secretary of the Treasury. Their solution was to set up what is informally
called the Black Eagle Trust. The idea was first discussed with America’s allies in secret during July 1944, when forty-four nations met at Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, to plan the postwar world economy. (This was confirmed, in documents we obtained, by a number of high-level sources,including a CIA officer based in Manila, and former CIA Deputy Director Ray Cline, who knew of Santy’s recoveries in 1945. As recently as the 1990s, Cline continued to be involved in attempts to control Japanese war-gold still in the vaults of Citibank.)
After briefing President Truman and others in Washington, including McCloy, Lovett, and Stimson, Captain Lansdale returned to Tokyo in November 1945 with Robert B. Anderson. General MacArthur then accompanied Anderson and Lansdale on a covert flight to Manila, where they set out for a tour of the vaults Santy already had opened. In them, we were told, Anderson and MacArthur strolled down “row after row of gold bars stacked two meters tall”. From what they saw, it was evident that over a period of 50 years (1895-1945) Japan had looted many billions of dollars in treasure from all over Asia. A far longer period than Germany had to loot Europe. Over five decades, Japan had looted billions of dollars’ worth of gold, platinum, diamonds, and other treasure, from all over East and Southeast Asia. Much of this had reached Japan by sea, or overland from China through Korea. What was seen by Anderson and MacArthur was only some of the gold that had not reached Japan after 1943, when the US submarine blockade of the Home Islands became effective. From this it is obvious that what was looted by Japan on the Asian mainland from 1895-1943 had reached Japan and been tucked away there in what the US Army statement called “undeclared caches of these treasures ... known to exist” .
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#3022 have great new information which all of us should read.
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Connecticut Danny said:
A little advice from somebody who wrote a book on CBW (And many other books):
Some thoughts on CBW. The Japanese played around with a lot of biologicals, both living organisms and toxins produced by living organisms. But it would have been illogical for them to place biologicals (including toxins) in the vaults. So much time has passed anyway that its shelf life would be long since gone. The only poison that has an endless shelf life is plutonium and its relatives. Some biologicals like anthrax and botulin occur in spores that can lie dormant for a very long time, then be reactivated when disturbed, but these would be so problematical that the Nips would not have used them in the vaults. That would have been much too risky for their own recoveries down the road. They used things that they could deliberately avoid (like vials of cyanide placed in sand traps or in boobytrapped entrances), or the black powder described repeatedly by Ben, which must have been a cocktail of chemical poisons. Because it was a cocktail, blended from various things, we can't really be certain what it contained. I've heard various speculation about the composition, but nothing that I thought was convincing. Kimsu (Prince Takeda) told Ben when he opened the pit where his trunk was buried, he should pour kerosene into the pit and light it so it would burn off the residue of the black powder. And he told Ben that when he opened the trunk he should immediately pour kerosene into it and burn it, to get rid of the black powder inside. This does not sound like a nerve agent, because a nerve agent acts instantly and closes down the organic connections in the body, so that muscles contract and then cannot release. The organic chemicals that would tell the muscles to release have been shut down by the nerve agent. Such things are called anti-cholin-esterase, because the cholin-Esters are the body chemicals (Esters - as in Estrogen) that tell the muscles to relax. So an ANTI-cholin-Ester stops the chemical Ester from doing that. This takes only about six seconds MAX. That's also how the venom of a viper works, as opposed to the venom of a cobra (which is conveyed through the blood stream, ie., haemotoxic) so it takes considerably longer for a cobra's venom to kill you because it has to pass through your blood stream to your heart. A viper's venom acts in six seconds by closing down your nervous system. About the cyanide, there are two types, which you can read about at Google. Most commonly used is potassium cyanide. It was unlikely that the black powder used by Kimsu included nerve agent, because that would have killed Ben before he could pour kerosene on it and burn it off, and its' similarly unlikely that the black powder contained cyanide, because that also would have killed Ben before he could have burned it off. So the most likely agents in the cocktail would be mustard, possibly mixed with phosgene, but also possibly some other stuff, which would have made you sick but not necessarily kill you. So you are most likely to encounter boobytraps with bombs, boobytraps with water or fine sand, boobytraps with vials of cyanide, and probably some places (or some situations) where there could be the black powder. For example, drums of loose gems might have had black powder sprinkled on the loose stones. So it would be prudent to lift these drums out intact (without opening them), then open them in fresh air. Whoever opens them should (as a precaution) be wearing proper protective costume, of the type commonly available for men working in boatyards where they apply bottom paint. A lot of bottom paints contain toxic chemicals including heavy metals like lead, etc., and some anti-cholin-Esters. Such suits include a mask and head-gear, and the best ones involve positive pressure, which means supplying compressed air or air under pressure to the suit, from a compressor, so that the person in the suit is protected even if there is a hole in the suit or some place where the costume is not perfectly fitted, like around the wrists or the waist or ankles. You only need one suit, and if you splurge on a positive pressure version you also must splurge on a small compressor. But this can be further justified financially by using it to pump fresh air down into the vault or tunnel where your crew is working. That helps to eliminate the gases from long-buried bodies, which makes workers sick. It's possible that the workers at T2 in 1975 got sick from such decay gases, but it's equally possible that they got sick from residual black powder (or both). Anyway, when you open a vault or a tunnel, you must give it a week to air out (at the very least). You can (1) pump air under pressure into a tunnel to force its ventilation faster, or (2) pour in some kerosene and burn it out - although this is risky and hard to control. For example, if you were to reach a point like Rogelio Roxas did, where you find a concrete vault in the floor of a tunnel , you could jack-hammer an opening, pour in kerosene, and ignite it, much as Kimsu suggested to Ben. But you want a low-level, low-intensity, burn. Not an explosion. If you expect to encounter concrete vaults like that, consider buying and taking one of the thermite wands available from a company in Florida for around $500 per unit. It is less likely to agitate a boobytrap bomb than a jackhammer. I hope these thoughts are useful.
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Guess-Who, I have punched several vaults in the past 10 years. The worst by far is the "dead man trap" where in several men are exterminated or ritual killed to stay behind. Mass graves in a sealed chamber produce a very toxic stew. Toxic to touch and inhalation. Breathing in is by far the worst. This will generate into a lung infection that is 50/50 to be cured. We have lost several to advanced infections. There is several ways to degrade this type of contamination. One is to pump in clean air for a week or so, that is dilution. Another is to flood the chamber with water then pump out the toxic water. The problem with this is it leaves behind a humid/damp incubator for the bacteria to grow in. Third and my favorite is to deploy an ozone generator in the chamber or to pump in ozone into the chamber. Ozone oxidizes the bacteria. Ultimately there is no complete cure for the dead man trap.
Other favorite traps are powdered cyanide sprinkled about in the chamber. The only way to work in that environment is wearing a class A chemical suit. We have those. Another trap is mercury either on an explosive device or sprinkled on the floor of a vault. Mercury will oxidize on cement into a mercury hydroxide. VERY toxic. Then there is the cyanide gas traps. Another is what was then a commercial pesticide or insecticide or fumigant. Both the Japanese and Germans used that. Some of the high speed explosives (the explosive itself not the explosive device) used at that time were also very toxic to the touch, such as used in aerial bombs. Simply dismantling a few aerial bombs and spreading about the explosive is also considered a toxic trap.
We are punching another vault this month.
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Other favorite traps are powdered cyanide sprinkled about in the chamber. The only way to work in that environment is wearing a class A chemical suit. We have those. Another trap is mercury either on an explosive device or sprinkled on the floor of a vault. Mercury will oxidize on cement into a mercury hydroxide. VERY toxic. Then there is the cyanide gas traps. Another is what was then a commercial pesticide or insecticide or fumigant. Both the Japanese and Germans used that. Some of the high speed explosives (the explosive itself not the explosive device) used at that time were also very toxic to the touch, such as used in aerial bombs. Simply dismantling a few aerial bombs and spreading about the explosive is also considered a toxic trap.
We are punching another vault this month.
ZOBEX
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