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A GUIDE TO VAULT TREASURE HUNTING (Condensed)

After my recent experiences on this thread, and one member’s insistence that I needed to explore it for myself, I decided maybe they were right and that some research was in order.

My first questions were about how the idea of treasure auras first came into being, and what I found was fascinating. I’d like to share that research with the rest of you here.

When and where did the idea that buried treasures had auras first take root?

• The belief that buried treasures emit a physical or supernatural "aura"—most commonly described in historical folklore as a spontaneous, otherworldly flame or glow—originated during the Middle Ages in Europe, with roots tracing back to pre-Christian pagan beliefs and early Christian hagiography (stories of saints). Rather than a modern "energy vibe," the original concept of a treasure aura was deeply tied to the physical phenomenon of ghost lights (or ignis fatuus) and a highly systematized culture of magical treasure hunting.

1. The Medieval Origin: Ghost Lights and Holy Relics (11th–15th Centuries)

The idea that buried treasure gives off a visible sign first solidified during the medieval period. It drew heavily from two sources:

The Cult of Relics: In early Christianity, the buried bones of saints or holy relics were frequently said to emit a sweet perfume, a divine light, or a localized heat to reveal their locations to the faithful. This concept of "holy energy" leaking through the earth was easily transferred to secular riches like gold and silver.

The Blue Flame Motif: Medieval folklore dictated that buried treasure emitted a very faint, cold bluish flame that burned without consuming the surrounding grass (similar to the Biblical burning bush). The color and height of the flame were believed to tell the treasure hunter exactly how deep the cache was buried and what kind of metal it was (e.g., silver vs. gold).

2. Early Modern "Magical Treasure Hunting" (16th–18th Centuries)

By the 1500s and 1600s, the concept of a treasure's aura became standard in European occult practices.

The "Living" Treasure: Treasure was viewed as semi-sentient and volatile. It had its own spiritual gravity and was thought to be capable of sinking deeper into the earth or shapeshifting into rubbish if approached incorrectly.

The Role of Astrology: Occult texts from this era argued that buried metal reacted to the alignment of the stars and planets. During specific astronomical windows (such as the winter solstice or lunar eclipses), the treasure’s "aura" or vapor was thought to grow stronger, making it visible to the naked eye or detectable by divining rods (dowsing).

3. The Folkloric Legacy and Modern Adaptations

The concept traveled with European colonists to the
Americas, heavily influencing early American folk magic (famously practiced by figures like a young Joseph Smith in the 1820s, who used seer stones to locate the "auras" and protective spirits of buried wealth). It also deeply embedded itself into literature and pop culture.

Bram Stoker’s Dracula (1897): Stoker utilized this exact piece of folklore. In the novel, Jonathan Harker witnesses blue flames flickering over the ground on the night of St. George’s Day—a direct nod to the traditional European belief that hidden gold reveals its aura on specific holy nights.

Modern Fiction & Gaming: Today, this centuries-old folklore lives on in video games, fantasy fiction, and on this very thread pinned to the top of this Treasure forum, as a literal visual effect (a glowing particle effect or "detect magic" aura) indicating hidden loot.



I’ll be exploring each of the above mentioned ideas further and sharing my resources in following posts for anyone interested. 👍

☕️
 
Awesome if you catch an aura please lets us know
It will be my pleasure if I do. I also run it along with & beside a W10, W20, or W30, or even all 3 for a cross check to test & see if I capture one with any of them.
I'll keep testing them over & over, & let you know when I get however many tests done, & have some results..
 
I’ll be exploring each of the above mentioned ideas further and sharing my resources in following posts for anyone interested.
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Nuthin' short of shameless & selfish thread jacking. You should be ashamed, but you have none.
Why don't you just start yourself a brand new thread that doesn't include a puzzling fake climb?
Maybe I should have done that Dossier with Loke & Jamie. Really show the truth of your exploits...:nono:
 
So here are all the skulls I showed together and the Reason for the Skulls and how they relate to the treasures "As Matthew recounts Jesus' crucifixion, he describes that “they came to a place called Golgotha (which means 'the place of the skull')” remember Jesus is the Treasure so anything related to him is Treasure or Holy Related
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Now for one last Skull which you can see going down the hill from Prescott going towards Skull Valley
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This next one is the Same skull as above but this is what ties all these skulls to the Catholics I circled the Number 3 which is the Number for the Holy Trinity Showing this Skull and Three were made by the Catholics.
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These are all man made to represent Jesus at (Golgotha)

And Here is another Number 3 so you can see they did make them at different sites as well, again representing the Holy Trinity, this one is on the mountain next to the first circled Skull picture above.
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This is why I said the Skulls are so important when you find one you are at a Treasure Area. Where Jesus was Crucified and he will be found High on the Cross, there you will find your treasure.
 
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So here are all the skulls I showed together and the Reason for the Skulls and how they relate to the treasures "As Matthew recounts Jesus' crucifixion, he describes that “they came to a place called Golgotha (which means 'the place of the skull')” remember Jesus is the Treasure so anything related to him is Treasure or Holy Related
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Now for one last Skull which you can see going down the hill from Prescott going towards Skull Valley
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This next one is the Same skull as above but this is what ties all these skulls to the Catholics I circled the Number 3 which is the Number for the Holy Trinity Showing this Skull and Three were made by the Catholics.
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These are all man made to represent Jesus at (Golgotha)

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This is why I said the Skulls are so important when you find one you are at a Treasure Area. Where Jesus was Crucified and he will be found High on the Cross, there you will find your treasure.
Some of that is just poetic enough to possibly, no definitely, be words to a song.
Thank you again sandy1, you always have plenty of material & work dilligently to keep the Thread Beautifully On Topic, without any BS or hogwash sidetracking...
 
Well boys anybody Following my work and don't want to deal with Puff's nonsense anymore just click on her avatar and push Ignore just as the admin suggested. Let her fade away and never be heard from again.
I also suggest doing the same for Carl NC as well since he has not posted a single thing to help a treasure hunter find treasure.
Your mugging of Puff and Carl apparently didn't sit well with the bosses here. Well, I guess I've already been on IGNORE, otherwise you'd at least have responded with insults to my valid but apparently uncomfortable questions.
 
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After my recent experiences on this thread, and one member’s insistence that I needed to explore it for myself, I decided maybe they were right and that some research was in order.

My first questions were about how the idea of treasure auras first came into being, and what I found was fascinating. I’d like to share that research with the rest of you here.

When and where did the idea that buried treasures had auras first take root?

• The belief that buried treasures emit a physical or supernatural "aura"—most commonly described in historical folklore as a spontaneous, otherworldly flame or glow—originated during the Middle Ages in Europe, with roots tracing back to pre-Christian pagan beliefs and early Christian hagiography (stories of saints). Rather than a modern "energy vibe," the original concept of a treasure aura was deeply tied to the physical phenomenon of ghost lights (or ignis fatuus) and a highly systematized culture of magical treasure hunting.

1. The Medieval Origin: Ghost Lights and Holy Relics (11th–15th Centuries)

The idea that buried treasure gives off a visible sign first solidified during the medieval period. It drew heavily from two sources:

The Cult of Relics: In early Christianity, the buried bones of saints or holy relics were frequently said to emit a sweet perfume, a divine light, or a localized heat to reveal their locations to the faithful. This concept of "holy energy" leaking through the earth was easily transferred to secular riches like gold and silver.

The Blue Flame Motif: Medieval folklore dictated that buried treasure emitted a very faint, cold bluish flame that burned without consuming the surrounding grass (similar to the Biblical burning bush). The color and height of the flame were believed to tell the treasure hunter exactly how deep the cache was buried and what kind of metal it was (e.g., silver vs. gold).

2. Early Modern "Magical Treasure Hunting" (16th–18th Centuries)

By the 1500s and 1600s, the concept of a treasure's aura became standard in European occult practices.

The "Living" Treasure: Treasure was viewed as semi-sentient and volatile. It had its own spiritual gravity and was thought to be capable of sinking deeper into the earth or shapeshifting into rubbish if approached incorrectly.

The Role of Astrology: Occult texts from this era argued that buried metal reacted to the alignment of the stars and planets. During specific astronomical windows (such as the winter solstice or lunar eclipses), the treasure’s "aura" or vapor was thought to grow stronger, making it visible to the naked eye or detectable by divining rods (dowsing).

3. The Folkloric Legacy and Modern Adaptations

The concept traveled with European colonists to the
Americas, heavily influencing early American folk magic (famously practiced by figures like a young Joseph Smith in the 1820s, who used seer stones to locate the "auras" and protective spirits of buried wealth). It also deeply embedded itself into literature and pop culture.

Bram Stoker’s Dracula (1897): Stoker utilized this exact piece of folklore. In the novel, Jonathan Harker witnesses blue flames flickering over the ground on the night of St. George’s Day—a direct nod to the traditional European belief that hidden gold reveals its aura on specific holy nights.

Modern Fiction & Gaming: Today, this centuries-old folklore lives on in video games, fantasy fiction, and on this very thread pinned to the top of this Treasure forum, as a literal visual effect (a glowing particle effect or "detect magic" aura) indicating hidden loot.



I’ll be exploring each of the above mentioned ideas further and sharing my resources in following posts for anyone interested. 👍

☕️

Yeah, this is interesting stuff. I will add that I've seen evidence that supports the claim that in rare occurrences, off-gassing from shallow buried gold coins in adequate contact with the soil will, in the presence of ion-rich atmospheric conditions (generally resulting from electric storms in the vicinity), form a subtle blue haze at night, quite similar to a methanol flame. An old guy in Durango CO took me to a depression in the ground near a fence line south of town where he said local legends told of hidden gold. The old coins he showed me were still in a small raggedy canvas pouch recovered from the spot he took me to, only buried about two feet deep, he said. The Mexicans call it "Treasure lights" - the reason why the old guy went into that field numerous times on "stormy nights". Finally it paid off for him.

That said, the auras discussed here sound like the sporadic "earthquake lights" created by piezoelectric luminance resulting from rock stress near faults. These were first photographed in Japan years ago. That doesn't go over very well here, even though reasonable documentation of alleged recoveries is lacking and explanations about the cache origins are ignored.

Believers will believe, but it's hard to accept sensational claims on faith. The "try it for yourself" challenge is just a way of avoiding stronger verification IMO.
 
Has there been any buried treasured ever found using signs,(rocks/formations/auras)?


No documented, verified cache of buried gold or historical treasure has ever been found using "treasure auras," shadow overlays, or interpreting natural rock formations as animal shapes.
While these concepts are highly popular in online treasure-hunting communities, they are viewed by historians, archaeologists, and geologists as pseudoscientific.
A direct comparison highlights the reality of how these different marking systems work in practice:

System TypeClaims & MethodologyReal-World Track Record & Verification
Treasure AurasClaims that specialized cameras (like Polaroids with infrared film) capture light anomalies or color "flares" radiating directly above buried gold.Zero verified finds. No authenticated treasure discovery has ever been backed by an aura photograph. Historically, authors promoting this method have been plagued by credibility issues, such as David Villanueva's multiple convictions for fraud.
Natural Rock Formations & AnimalsBelievers claim that natural rocks were altered or selected because they look like animals (e.g., turtles, birds, snakes) to point toward hidden vaults.No success. This relies entirely on pareidolia—the human tendency to see familiar shapes (like faces or animals) in random visual patterns, similar to finding shapes in clouds. Geologists confirm these are entirely natural formations shaped by desert erosion.
Man-Made Signs & Trail MarkersActual physical carvings made by humans on rocks or trees (such as Spanish colonial symbols, petroglyphs, or pioneer trail markers).Proven historically, but rarely for buried treasure. Authentic symbols exist, but they were used by groups like Spanish miners to mark trail paths, safe passage, or mining claims. While tools or old camps are sometimes found along these paths, they almost never lead to massive hidden hoards.

How Real Treasures Are Found
When actual historic treasures or "hoards" are uncovered in the desert southwest or elsewhere, it is almost exclusively through metal detectors, archival maps/documents, or accidental discovery during construction and archaeological digs. For example, modern treasure hunts with physical clues—like the famous Forrest Fenn Treasure hidden in the Rocky Mountains—were solved by deciphering a written poem to locate a physical spot, not by reading natural rock shapes or camera distortions
 
Well one problem you have is there is the law about doing recovery goes back to 1906. There’s been a couple found in California and in Utah.
 
Go down to the BLM office and file a treasure trove permit on government land here in the United States and see what happens to you. I am sorry pepperj now I am the one not reading everything I see you are in Canada.
 
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Has there been any buried treasured ever found using signs,(rocks/formations/auras)?


No documented, verified cache of buried gold or historical treasure has ever been found using "treasure auras," shadow overlays, or interpreting natural rock formations as animal shapes.
While these concepts are highly popular in online treasure-hunting communities, they are viewed by historians, archaeologists, and geologists as pseudoscientific.
A direct comparison highlights the reality of how these different marking systems work in practice:

System TypeClaims & MethodologyReal-World Track Record & Verification
Treasure AurasClaims that specialized cameras (like Polaroids with infrared film) capture light anomalies or color "flares" radiating directly above buried gold.Zero verified finds. No authenticated treasure discovery has ever been backed by an aura photograph. Historically, authors promoting this method have been plagued by credibility issues, such as David Villanueva's multiple convictions for fraud.
Natural Rock Formations & AnimalsBelievers claim that natural rocks were altered or selected because they look like animals (e.g., turtles, birds, snakes) to point toward hidden vaults.No success. This relies entirely on pareidolia—the human tendency to see familiar shapes (like faces or animals) in random visual patterns, similar to finding shapes in clouds. Geologists confirm these are entirely natural formations shaped by desert erosion.
Man-Made Signs & Trail MarkersActual physical carvings made by humans on rocks or trees (such as Spanish colonial symbols, petroglyphs, or pioneer trail markers).Proven historically, but rarely for buried treasure. Authentic symbols exist, but they were used by groups like Spanish miners to mark trail paths, safe passage, or mining claims. While tools or old camps are sometimes found along these paths, they almost never lead to massive hidden hoards.

How Real Treasures Are Found
When actual historic treasures or "hoards" are uncovered in the desert southwest or elsewhere, it is almost exclusively through metal detectors, archival maps/documents, or accidental discovery during construction and archaeological digs. For example, modern treasure hunts with physical clues—like the famous Forrest Fenn Treasure hidden in the Rocky Mountains—were solved by deciphering a written poem to locate a physical spot, not by reading natural rock shapes or camera distortions
Obviously A.I generated.... I wonder how many of those other posts are also A.I generated?
 
Go down to the BLM office and file a treasure trove permit on government land here in the United States and see what happens to you.
Sure they could give out a TT permit if they know you don't have a real treasure site they would be happy to take your money. But if the location your asking for the permit for actually has a treasure on it and they know about it not a chance in hell your getting a permit. Just like how my Treasure Mountain is circled on Google maps (People do know about these treasures)
 
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Has there been any buried treasured ever found using signs,(rocks/formations/auras)?


No documented, verified cache of buried gold or historical treasure has ever been found using "treasure auras," shadow overlays, or interpreting natural rock formations as animal shapes.
While these concepts are highly popular in online treasure-hunting communities, they are viewed by historians, archaeologists, and geologists as pseudoscientific.
A direct comparison highlights the reality of how these different marking systems work in practice:

System TypeClaims & MethodologyReal-World Track Record & Verification
Treasure AurasClaims that specialized cameras (like Polaroids with infrared film) capture light anomalies or color "flares" radiating directly above buried gold.Zero verified finds. No authenticated treasure discovery has ever been backed by an aura photograph. Historically, authors promoting this method have been plagued by credibility issues, such as David Villanueva's multiple convictions for fraud.
Natural Rock Formations & AnimalsBelievers claim that natural rocks were altered or selected because they look like animals (e.g., turtles, birds, snakes) to point toward hidden vaults.No success. This relies entirely on pareidolia—the human tendency to see familiar shapes (like faces or animals) in random visual patterns, similar to finding shapes in clouds. Geologists confirm these are entirely natural formations shaped by desert erosion.
Man-Made Signs & Trail MarkersActual physical carvings made by humans on rocks or trees (such as Spanish colonial symbols, petroglyphs, or pioneer trail markers).Proven historically, but rarely for buried treasure. Authentic symbols exist, but they were used by groups like Spanish miners to mark trail paths, safe passage, or mining claims. While tools or old camps are sometimes found along these paths, they almost never lead to massive hidden hoards.

How Real Treasures Are Found
When actual historic treasures or "hoards" are uncovered in the desert southwest or elsewhere, it is almost exclusively through metal detectors, archival maps/documents, or accidental discovery during construction and archaeological digs. For example, modern treasure hunts with physical clues—like the famous Forrest Fenn Treasure hidden in the Rocky Mountains—were solved by deciphering a written poem to locate a physical spot, not by reading natural rock shapes or camera distortions
Hi pepperj,
Yes, there have been more recoveries, also using the Camera/Aura capturing technique, to confirm along with the markers & alignments
that it's of Spanish/Jesuit design & burial. sandy1 can tell you even more about it, to answer any more question(s). I know anotherTH too,
lives in AZ., that also found a wonderfully rich gold deposit with excellent per ton (I didn't hear how much exactly) in Rose Quartz. Gold
ore spread out just below the surface, in multi-level veins of fantastic continuous shallow & going down deeper deposit veins that was
discovered a couple of years ago, with a camera that captured multiple aura(s ) in line coming up off it. The Gentleman sent me pics of
it & I'd have to ask permission first to show you any. He happens to be an old acquaintance of our friend sandy1's known several years.
In your list above with, 2nd line,, the Natural Rock Formation & Animals is correct, modified skillfully to look naturally occuring, with no
obvious chisel marks most all of the time, though I've seen at least one with chisel marks still showing that wasn't of Spanish origin
Thank you kindly for your question, it's a very good one. if there's any more questions,, I should kindly direct you to ask sandy1,
The Master Spanish Treasure Vault Hunter. PS there are also human male/female faces too. There are definitely examples of
documentation, even in a few specific Spanish Vault Treasure Books that've been written. Have A Great Day!
 
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Yeah, this is interesting stuff. I will add that I've seen evidence that supports the claim that in rare occurrences, off-gassing from shallow buried gold coins in adequate contact with the soil will, in the presence of ion-rich atmospheric conditions (generally resulting from electric storms in the vicinity), form a subtle blue haze at night, quite similar to a methanol flame. An old guy in Durango CO took me to a depression in the ground near a fence line south of town where he said local legends told of hidden gold. The old coins he showed me were still in a small raggedy canvas pouch recovered from the spot he took me to, only buried about two feet deep, he said. The Mexicans call it "Treasure lights" - the reason why the old guy went into that field numerous times on "stormy nights". Finally it paid off for him.

That said, the auras discussed here sound like the sporadic "earthquake lights" created by piezoelectric luminance resulting from rock stress near faults. These were first photographed in Japan years ago. That doesn't go over very well here, even though reasonable documentation of alleged recoveries is lacking and explanations about the cache origins are ignored.

Believers will believe, but it's hard to accept sensational claims on faith. The "try it for yourself" challenge is just a way of avoiding stronger verification IMO.

That’s interesting, thank you. I’ll add these Earthquakes Lights to my list of related subjects for further study. I’m going to be laid up awhile from the knee surgery, it’ll give me something to keep my mind occupied. 👍

As for the try it for yourself challenges, I don’t need to stick my finger in an electrical outlet to find out if it’s working. Nor do I need to run a series of experiments to know a banana will not fit through a keyhole. The laws of physics are wonderful things. Refusing to educate yourself is just lazy and making excuses for not doing the work.
 
That would be great if it were true unfortunately its just another person whos job it is to get people off the treasure trail.
I us A.I at work, when you get used to it you can pick right up on it.
Basically we have people asking their A.I certain questions and then they post the A.I response as if it was their own.
Laziness and proof they are only here to be disruptive.
 
Im saying PJ is very real but is using A.I to generate their responses as are several others including puff
Members can use AI, for parts of their posts if they wish it violates no rules.

I spot it pretty quick myself and there are also software tools to identify it as well.
 

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