✅ SOLVED A real Stumper

[cdsieg]

I posted this in the past but got no solve. I cleaned it up and took better photos. It looks like it is copper, but I am not sure.

I don't know if the little holes around it means it was attached to something with little rivots, screws or nails. I don't know if the anchor is a navy thing or if the anchor was a logo for something.



Any info would be appreciated! Thanks.

 

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[cdsieg]

I emailed billn1956 This is his reply: "I am looking to see if I still have the answer I got to my find He sent me a picture of the neck stock that was in the ARH magi,.But you rember seeing the navy boys wearing there capes? this is what fastened them together at the neck,,Mine had no backing left on it but there was two of them joind together with a little chain"

I invited him to join this post if he did find anymore info on it and of course thanked him for getting back to me.

As for me, I am just as confused now as I was when I first posted it! As far as how it came out of the ground and the type of soil it was in was, it was on its side, I thought it was a can top and almost threw it in my garbage bag. The soil was sand not dirt. I love detecting here 90% is in sand.

But if anyone knows what I found, please let me know!

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

It sounds as if bill is calling it a cape closure BUT the pic in the magazine looks like a neck stock. It says something like........Roger S. S...........Historical Militaria under the pic.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

It might say Photo Courtesy Roger S. S.......

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The picture is from ROGER S. STEFFEN HISTORICAL MILITARIA AUCTION

 

[cdsieg]

I guess it was attached to a leather neck stock but I would like to see exactly how it looked.
I wonder what its worth? Yours is in better condition than the others.
I wonder if thats where "leathernecks" came from?

"I wonder if thats where "leathernecks" came from?"

Neckstocks​

All Marines were to wear black neck-stocks, hence the nickname "Leather-Necks." These stocks, the purpose of which was to make the Marine hold his head erect, were made of black leather. A surviving stock of the era is thirteen and one-half (13 ½) inches long and two (2) inches wide. The back of this stock had a smaller strip of leather; ½ inch wide that was sewn onto the back of the stock and kept closed with a small brass buckle. Photographic evidence shows, however, that the neck-stock was rarely (if ever) worn, except with full dress.

 

[hoosierguy]

"I wonder if thats where "leathernecks" came from?"
NeckstocksAll Marines were to wear black neck-stocks, hence the nickname "Leather-Necks." These stocks, the purpose of which was to make the Marine hold his head erect, were made of black leather. A surviving stock of the era is thirteen and one-half (13 ½) inches long and two (2) inches wide. The back of this stock had a smaller strip of leather; ½ inch wide that was sewn onto the back of the stock and kept closed with a small brass buckle. Photographic evidence shows, however, that the neck-stock was rarely (if ever) worn, except with full dress.

What is the source of your comment? I'm just curious...we were taught that the term came from the leather collar Marines wore to protect from a sword in combat. I'm no historian, but the erect neck thing doesn't sound right.

Regards,

 

[cdsieg]

What is the source of your comment? I'm just curious...we were taught that the term came from the leather collar Marines wore to protect from a sword in combat. I'm no historian, but the erect neck thing doesn't sound right.

Regards,

I found it on this site here, I am no expert on nothing and certainly no historian either so you may be right! this is where I found that info. link :usmc_uniforms

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

My earlier post said they only wore leather neck stocks during the Revolutionary War I think

I found this Leather Neckstock [Archive] - Authentic Campaigner Website & Forums

and this usmc_uniforms

 

[cdsieg]

There is a scan of the article in the pics with this Worthpoint entry (sold for $34.00)-

Dug CIVIL WAR -2" Brass Disk with Anchor - w/backing

Thank you very much! Very nice find! I cleaned it up a bit and have these two pictures to post:

 

[yaxthri]

Great solve on this one. And a cool find too, congrats!

 

[DCMatt]

OK. I will reluctantly concede. It still is odd to me that most of the items were found in areas with no naval activity. It is also odd to me that the "neck stock" pictured has the disks near the ends of the band. These were tied in the back placing the disks on the back of the neck and covered by the shirt and coat collar. It doesn't make sense. The item pictured could just as easily be a late Victorian ladies dress sash.

This ID reminds me of the story of Plymouth Rock. In 1741 the folks of Plymouth carried the oldest guy in the village (94 y.o.) down to the shore line and he pointed to a rock the pilgrims supposedly first stepped on 120 years earlier. Maybe he knew. Maybe he didn't. But the people of the village got an answer they were happy with... And we still believe in it today. So be it.

DCMatt

 

[cdsieg]

I found this web site Texas Navy Association Home Page about the Texas Navy and it has a neat video on it If you just want to look at the video I put a direct link on here as well.Texas Navy and the Baltimore Clipper - YouTube

Thank you all of you who took time to comment on this, I always try to thank everyone at least like your comment, if I missed someone I am sorry, I never had so much response to any of my postings so I know I may have missed some people. I have learned a lot from this posting and I love to learn, It would be even better if I could retain it! LOL

 

[Dutch2961]

This is an early Naval neck stock insignia. It would date from about 1780 to about 1805. Probably a French import for the early U.S. Navy. John Paul Jones had uniform buttons with a similar device on them. I owned a complete neck stock with identical discs attached. The discs were located on the sides of the stock to protect the arteries of the neck from a sword blow. In between the two discs was a thin sheet of iron within a heavy cloth piece. have enclosed photos of the original for your reference, as it seems others have found similar pieces.

 

[Back-of-the-boat]

What is the source of your comment? I'm just curious...we were taught that the term came from the leather collar Marines wore to protect from a sword in combat. I'm no historian, but the erect neck thing doesn't sound right.

Regards,

What I have heard and I don't know the truth of it, was that hard leather was worn on the neck to prevent neck injuries and also beheading by Barbary pirates so it would seem it goes back further than just our military. Would probably have originated with the English military and adopted by us. But like I said that is hearsay.