A Test for Sandsted

[aarthrj3811]

Well Carl..I think it says 6 to break even with your chart. I would say anyone who dated two of the coins correct would beat the odds of random chance. Any more guess....Art

 

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[Oroblanco]

Carl-NC wrote:

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Can you see how a dowser, who has faced the doubt and ridicule from skeptics, would be suspicious of your test, and your motives? Your web site does not help the case either, to encourage a dowser to try to prove things for even a large amount of money.

It's not my problem if dowsers can't really do what they say they can do, and then try to blame me for their inabilities.

So you do NOT see how this could make a dowser suspicious of your test and motives, as you have equated "suspicion" with "inabilities". It is easy to see why you haven't had dozens of dowsers lining up to take your tests.

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[aarthrj3811]

Well Carl....Thanks ...I understand the words Random, Chance and Guessing. I just didn't know for sure how accurate your formula is. I now see that Random, Chance and Guessing are just buzz words used to explain your formula. The formula will provide no information to people who live in the real world. In the real world guessing is just a guess. Your formula makes no exception for what the person is doing. It is a one size fits all formula. When I am told that my odds (using the formula) are the same as a Blind Mans to locate gold I knew it was badly flawed. I GUESS in your world there is no room for a little thing called common sense. Could you please give us a NAME for your system.

For most Treasure Hunters our searches are not Random, and our finds are not Chance and we are not Guessing. What your trying to tell us with your formula is that 6 out of every 10 finds are just plain old luck. Your telling us that it makes no difference what tools we are using and that 6 out of ten finds could have been found by a blind man with no tools. This will be my last reply to this thread until the results are in...I am a TREASURE HUNTER and I live in the real world...Art

P.S. The reason I need a name for your formula is that when I speak of Random, Chances and Guessing we need another term to explain the difference between our meanings of the words.

 

[Carl-NC]

Carl-NC wrote:

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Can you see how a dowser, who has faced the doubt and ridicule from skeptics, would be suspicious of your test, and your motives? Your web site does not help the case either, to encourage a dowser to try to prove things for even a large amount of money.

It's not my problem if dowsers can't really do what they say they can do, and then try to blame me for their inabilities.

So you do NOT see how this could make a dowser suspicious of your test and motives, as you have equated "suspicion" with "inabilities". It is easy to see why you haven't had dozens of dowsers lining up to take your tests.

Again, it's not my problem, it's the dowsers' problem. A dowser who says, "I won't take your challenge because I'm suspicious," is just offering up another heaping helping of the same ol' alibis. This is the same lame excuse dowsers use to avoid Randi's challenge... "I can easily take Randi's money, but I'm suspicious of his motives." SO WHAT? The best way to determine whether those "suspicions" are correct or misguided, is to TAKE THE CHALLENGE.

I will, however agree with you on one point... it's easy to see why I haven't had dozens of dowsers lining up to take my tests.

- Carl

 

[Carl-NC]

Well Carl..I think it says 6 to break even with your chart.

What do you mean by this? What is "break even" in this kind of test?

I would say anyone who dated two of the coins correct would beat the odds of random chance. Any more guess.

So you're saying that 2 correct dates in such a test is better than what people can achieve by guessing?

In the real world guessing is just a guess.

Your formula makes no exception for what the person is doing.

So what would a person "do" if they wanted their guesses to exceed statistical chance? That is, suppose I wanted to guess the repeated flip of a coin... what "technique" would produce better results than random chance, and could football teams use this technique to win more coin tosses?

I GUESS in your world there is no room for a little thing called common sense.

OK, how could one use "common sense" in guessing the flip of a coin, or in guessing the dates on coins?

For most Treasure Hunters our searches are not Random, and our finds are not Chance and we are not Guessing.

Oh, absolutely, I agree 100%. The question is, does dowsing make one iota of difference in your results? Would you still make the same finds if you ditched the dowsing rods, and used research, knowledge, observation, intuition, and "common sense"?

One way of determining whether dowsing rods add any value to treasure hunting is to design a dowsing test in which these other useful methods are eliminated, and see if dowsing does anything when research, knowledge, observation, intuition, and "common sense" are not mixed in. If, absent these other methods, it turns out that dowsing amounts to random guessing, then you can conclude that it adds nothing but a warm fuzzy feeling.

What your trying to tell us with your formula is that 6 out of every 10 finds are just plain old luck.

I didn't say that. Apparently you don't know what the distribution really means, because it certainly doesn't mean this.

Your telling us that it makes no difference what tools we are using and that 6 out of ten finds could have been found by a blind man with no tools.

Again, you either don't understand what all this means, or you're just making things up.

- Carl

 

[Peg Leg]

Let me start off by saying that DOWSING does not work for everyone and some will never BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THIS AS FACT.
I DO NOT do testing for the doubters simply because it is a waste of my time and theirs and I might add that for those that are into doing TEST to try and prove to THEMSELVES that they can dowse.
A TRUE DOWSER does not have to prove to anyone that they can perform all they have to do is locate what THEY are looking for.
Dowsing is not anything Magic or Mathematical or connected to Outerspace influence or the influence of the Earth itself.
I am not involved in the Science's or the ESPers I just know what I know.
Here is a little example of what I think.
The human mind is the most complex item that has ever been known and NO ONE can say how it operates and NO ONE ever will.
I have been successfull in my dowsing but it does not control my life I control it-to a point.
Here is my thoughts on HOW to dowse. I think that I mentioned this somewhere before
First you must understand that LIKE does NOT draw LIKE.
Try putting a magnet to a magnet with similat poles= pos to pos or neg to neg. No way will they ever draw each other.
When dowsing you must first have some idea of what you are trying to locate. If you are lookig for old coins you must have some idea of the silver content of the coin. The same goes for Gold or copper or whatever you are looking for. I dowse for Treasure=gold and silver.
I have never tried to locate a sunken shipwreck BUT will as soon as I get a hold of some charts or maps I will give it a try. But again when I do start I wil;l first try to locate the ships cannons. This is because this is the largest item on a ship. Once I have located the cannons I will then narrow this down to looking for the silver and then the gold. This will show me the scatter pattern. With today electronic equipment this can be verified by scanning the area I locate. Do not forget that dowsing is not 100% right on the money everytime. Things are always changing just like the weather or like your thoughts. Nothing is constant.
I am putting together a Special KIT that I believe will help those that are SERIOUS about dowsing for Treasure. This Kit will consist of Gold, Silver and Iron and a special thread. It will also consist of Instructions on how to work this Plum Bobs.
The Gold Plum Bob will consist of gold that I have recovered and will be 22k solid gold. The Silver Plum Bobs will consist of Silver that I have recovered from Spanish silver coins. The Silver will consist of no less than .915 to not more than .925. If you are looking for modern coins then the Silver will have no more than .900 silver. The Iron Plum Bobs consist of iron that I recovered for iron cannons from shipwrecks.
YES I know that I said the LIKE DOES NOT DRAW LIKE. These Plum Bobs will not draw one another they will REPELL.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS KIT IS NOT FOR FIELD USE BUT FOR ONLY MAP DOWSING AND WHEN YOU HAVE COMPLETED A GPS READING YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GO INTO THE FIELD AND WALK TO WITHIN 1 FOOT=THEN YOU CAN TURN ON YOUR DECTECTOR AND SCOOP UP YOU FIND. Of course since we are dealing with HUMANS there is no guarantee you will be successful because EVERYTHING CHANGES including the Human Mind.
I will NOT

 

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