Another Kick at the Can

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I found this a couple years back and posted it but we were never able to identify it. I am confident that it is military related but I have no idea as to who may have worn it and during what time frame. As you can see on the back there are three attachment loops... There are a lot of new members on the site identifying finds so I figured now would be a good time to re-post. Found on the east coast of Canada. Any ideas?
 

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Looks like Kilt decoration.
 

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It is without doubt the Thistle , flower of Scotland.

I dont know what it is but it reminds me of those decorative items that are hung from alcohol bottles.
 

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I think it is a decoration that hung around the neck of a very old bottle of scotch.
 

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I would too but for two things bothersome.The rose for one , for sure a rose signifies England but this is not the usual style of an English rose.Its being there is significant as it seems to have center stage as it were.

Also on the reverse it can be seen where the chain attached the other side making it an ideal candidate for being hung around something , but theres a small link protruding at the bottem too , on the reverse of where the rose is...thats bothersome and cancels out the bottle idea i think.

I dont think a rose appears often in Scottish history but you can bet it does somewhere.
 

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Guys, there is a small leather bag worn on the front of a Scottish kilt (called a sporran ). It usually has a decoration on it, something like yours. I haven't found one with your decoration, but a lot of scots settled in Canada. I've been to Scotland and that was the first thing I thought of when I saw your decorative find.
 

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The rose, thistle and crown are all incorperated in the dress of the Yeoman Warders ( the guards of the Tower of London). Their dress can be very elaborate, perhaps this may be part of the uniform. A little research might verify or rule it out.
 

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Thats true , but with the Yeoman the shamrock is also included.It is odd to see a british emblem with just England and Scotland represented , thats why im thinking its not an English rose.
 

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Great info coming out of this thread...thanks for the replies. There is a piece broken at the top where the cross would have been. Due to the connections loops on the back I don't think it is for a bottle, not to mention it is not contoured to fit a bottle. Someone mentioned a cloak fastener which would make sense but tells me little as to the era of the item. Can anyone identify the era by the style of crown?
 

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I'm thinking it may be 1/2 of a cloak or belt clasp. There are more than a few similarities to some of the clasps shown on this link. Especially the little loops on the back. The broken piece may be part of the "hook" that connected to the other half. The chain I'm still puzzled about, but could have been part of a hanger

The page is protected, so couldn't just copy the image I was looking at, but scroll down about 3/4 of the way, listed under Solid Bronze and Brass clasps.

http://www.twinrosesdesigns.com/Cloak Clasps for Sale.html
 

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I'm tracking down a research thread on this one but I'll go out on a limb and say its from the Fassifern sub-clan of the Cameron Clan, The "Fassifern" have the Rose and Thistle motif on their badge. Since it was found in Canada any chance it could be from a Highland Regiment fighting in the French and Indian Wars 1756-67:

Captain Alexander Cameron, 4th of Dungallon (c1730-1759) - a Jacobite whose father Alexander (3rd of Dungallon) had been a major in Cameron of Lochiel’s and Standard Bearer to the Prince [Muster Roll of Prince Charles Edward Stuart’s Army 1745-46], while Alexander Jr served as an ensign. Gazetted a captain on July 21, 1757 commanding one of three newly-authorized Additional Companies that joined the regiment whilst in Connecticut winter quarters April 1758; he was chosen to command a 100-man light infantry company in Halifax for the Louisbourg expedition, drawn from the best men of the three Additional Companies left at Halifax and assigned to Major George Scott's Provisional Light Infantry Battalion. He was one of four field officers assigned to the Garrison of Fort Stanwix, the winter of 1758/59. Dungallon died of a fever on September 3, 1759, ten days before the battle of the Plains of Abraham, and was buried at the Levis camp. An extant letter from Fassifern's son Lt Donald Cameron to his brother Ewen, refers to Dungallon's death. "... the very Day that I arived here which was the 3 of September Dungalon dyed. I came time Enough to see him Intered and that was all. Hew Cameron who is now Capt took care of all his things..." His body was later removed and re-interred at Quebec, and a monument to his memory was erected by John Nairne and Malcolm Fraser, brother officers who had served with him in the 78th's light infantry company. Ian McCulloch confirms that it was the son who died at Quebec, identified as the father in The Camerons, A History of Clan Cameron, by John Stewart of Ardvorlich (Jamieson & Munro Ltd., 1974, p. 219).

Lieutenant Donald Cameron (c1741-1817) - s/o John Cameron of Fassifern & Jean Campbell of Achalader - nephew of Lochiel; gazetted a lieutenant on September 30, 1758 in the 14th Additional Company; listed by Harper as a lieutenant among the officers who sailed for Louisbourg in 1758 [Appendix C] for the siege and capture June-July, 1758; fought at battle of Plains of Abraham on Septemer 13, 1759; wounded at Sillery on April 28, 1760; retired as a lieutenant in Captain Alexander MacLeod's company on half-pay in 1763. Major-General Stewart states that he “died a lieutenant on half-pay in 1817". Lieut Donald Cameron, yr of Fassifern (c. 1741-1817) - 78th Foot (Frasers Highlanders)
 

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I am going to research some more but my guess is Brittish millitary and judging by the chain maybe part of a bit chain.
 

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DirtyMike said:
I am going to research some more but my guess is Brittish millitary and judging by the chain maybe part of a bit chain.

Now That is a good possibility too! As long as the chain is a sturdy one. Is the chain more decorative in your opinion, or more functional, Romeo?
 

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BuckleBoy said:
DirtyMike said:
I am going to research some more but my guess is Brittish millitary and judging by the chain maybe part of a bit chain.

Now That is a good possibility too! As long as the chain is a sturdy one. Is the chain more decorative in your opinion, or more functional, Romeo?

I would say that the chain is more decorative than functional...
 

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That being the case, I personally will shy away from calling it a bit chain. I have dug those chains before, and they seem sturdy.
 

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BuckleBoy said:
That being the case, I personally will shy away from calling it a bit chain. I have dug those chains before, and they seem sturdy.

What's a bit chain?
 

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Scottish Military Hat Badge??
 

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Im with Crusader on this one , i reckon it is a hat badge , perhaps a formal dress type uniform.Most Scots military caps do not have a chain but im thinking more along the dress uniform like the Scots guards bearskin hats.
 

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