Any help on this bottle ID?

[skite]

Hello All -
I'm looking for any information at all on this bottle. It's part of a large collection of bottles and assorted glass ware that spans from the 1830's to the 1970's. It's a bit generic looking but maybe someone can help me narrow things down a bit. There are no identifying letters, numbers, or marks on this bottle at all. Thanks!

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[timekiller]

Bye the way there's trees & dirt out side that's a 100yrs old.But I'm not going to bring them in & display them just because they are.LOL
Take Care,
Pete,

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Bye the way there's trees & dirt out side that's a 100yrs old.But I'm not going to bring them in & display them just because they are.LOL
Take Care,
Pete,

I understand. Im not saying you are right or wrong, I really only wanted to make the proper ID, not tell someone what they should collect. You also made a good point earlier that the word "antique" may not apply to bottle collecting as it doesnt apply to trees and dirt.

A point I failed to mention was prohibition was from 1919 to 1933 Prohibition in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia so this liquor bottle is without any shadow of a doubt pre 1919 because post prohibition bottles are marked Federal Law.

We have many members reading this and not one, including yourself, bothered to say "nice work BCH" or "nice ID". But I still have hope that my time spent explaining how I came to these conclusions will not go unnoticed. If anything, the OP will appreciate it.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

If your so sure & bound & determined by his pic.that it's a hundred years old. Then why not show him a bottle that looks more like it.Rather it's 100yrs or not makes little difference really don't it? As it's teetering on the edge anyway.I mean really all you have got to do is go back to when you came on to this site & it's not 100yrs old no more.It's a plain bottle period (nothing going for it other then trying to call it a 100 yrs old.Being how it's a (liquor/whiskey) bottle which have been made for a long time & some forms would interrest me. Tt's hard for me to call it old when I know theres older better examples.Just the opposite if it had been say a soda bottle.Not been around near as long & most early 20th century/late 19th would have some value or appeal.

Truth is they made many liquor bottles which in the pic below will show you that it does not have to be a brandy just because that's the only book you have & it's in there so it got to be what you say (wrong).And is what I've been tring to say since now, this has got to get so ugly.Better pics. are all that's going to tell rather it's old enough to call a 100yr old bottle or not.Just to many liquor/whiskey bottles made...... to look at the OP pics. & say "Oh thats a Brandy" I'm right again. I know you like being right BCH who don't But I ask give it a chance.Ah by the way Great ID I was wrong it's a 100yrs old............"Maybe" but just barely & still may not be.So now is it a Brandy or a Whiskey.What's you books say?

ADDED:Sorry I missed this post. Very sorry I missed your acknowlegement. Thanks I appreciate it.Kinda busy today. Verry busy but always time to talk with you old friend.

I dont have a problem with that timekiller and please dont turn this ugly. You simply said it was "not a old bottle" and later changed it to "1920's- 1930's" which is prohibition.

You have proven that this can be Whiskey and that is great!!! Great work and Im serious. But its still a fact that my dateline is correct and the trade name of this plain glass bottle is "Delaware Brandy". We may never know its contents unless some remains in the bottom.

You can correct me ANYTIME but stick with the ID its better for everyone.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I already missed my doctors appt.

My 1904 Glass Manufacturers book has thousands of bottle shapes. Its a great book really. Dont belittle it.

I studied your pics and I compared with my books. There are many slight variations. There is also very little differences between Brandy and Whiskey but Im not going to bother taking pictures and posting them. I still stand by my ID.


Im not always right. I make many mistakes. Who doesnt? I originally thought Whiskey. Go back and look. My books have many whiskeys with slight variations,

I give you credit, you have proven that whiskey could be put into a Brandy bottle. Thanks for posting and thanks again for acknowleging my dateline.

One more point, In the past I have never been intimidated or afraid to post my opinion whether it be right or wrong. I tried to state my case as gently as possible but its a fine line to walk and maybe Im not very easy to get along with. Maybe its just not worth it. I was afraid I had insulted you and its not worth losing friends.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Dont forget, if the mould seams fades before reaching the top, this bottle is 1890's. Im sure you are aware of this method of dating, timekiller.


How old is Southern Comfort? Could it be?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Since Southern Comfort seems to have used the Delaware Brandy design, it may be possible that the contents of this bottle were Southern Comfort, like timekiller originally suggested, since they were around since 1874. Southern Comfort - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I have no problem if anyone wants to research this possibility. I gotta go. The dateline still stands 1890-1919.. (Ive eliminated Prohibition from the dateline)

Feel better?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

We may be overlooking the kicked up bottom.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I need to get my priorities straight lol. I managed to make my appointments.

Thinking it over, I would imagine its possible to be a Prohibition era whiskey. They could have refilled anything to sell illegally. I was just trying to limit my identification to the bottle itself and the date it was manufactured.

Here are a few diagrams on mould seam dating for the readers not timekiller I know you know this stuff... Anything before 1900 is hand blown. View attachment 627926

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Just checking back. Just so there are no misunderstandings the book is an original 1904 Glass Manufacturer's Catalog but the cover is missing. My research tells me its 1904 Illinois Glass probably the largest supplier at that time. The same company mentioned in your link. I picked out the best match. It is, what it is. I cant change it. This is not my opinion. If you feel it doesnt match, I can accept that, but the catalog is not wrong..

If you wanted to order this glass in 1904-05, you would ask for "Delaware Brandy." You have proven that some companys also purchased this bottle for whiskey and were embossed as such.. (My first assumption). I can accept that. Or maybe the trade name was changed at some later date to whiskey, I dont know.

I also realize you would have left this bottle in the ditch. I understand your point completely. I hope you understand mine.

 

[skite]

I'm posting new images as requested showing close ups of the bottle. Thanks!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Looks like a 3 part mold but I cant see the seam. Body & Mold Seams

In the 3rd picture, does the seam (red arrow)go all the way to the very top?

 

[timekiller]

Dont forget, if the mould seams fades before reaching the top, this bottle is 1890's. Im sure you are aware of this method of dating, timekiller.


How old is Southern Comfort? Could it be?

Absolutely not true,many bottles date after 1900's with seems that do not go to the top.I've dug many that are as old as 1905 that the seems don't go to the top.I'm going to post one in this post to show.
Also now that tnet has changed to the new layout & has no my reply place to see whats going on It's hard for me to keep up with these post like this.

But can see that many replies have been changed so I'm not going to get back in this to much.Other than to show you it does not have to be 1890's on the seems.I picked this bottle I found for you BCH,cause the bottom is marked with your letters just mixed a little.

To the poster got your PM & your welcome & don't let what I said about your bottle discourage you in bottle digging it's just that way sometimes even in MDing not all days are good ones.If you stay with it long enough your learn where to look & dig & Id your own bottles before it's over with.Your know what's worth keeping & what's common.
Take Care,
Best to ya,
Pete,

 

[timekiller]

One other thing to add not all things in books are right,I see it so many times people saying because a book says this that it's right.Don't agree with that either.Hands on & time will prove the general book wrong quite often.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Absolutely not true,many bottles date after 1900's with seems that do not go to the top.I've dug many that are as old as 1905 that the seems don't go to the top.I'm going to post one in this post to show.
Also now that tnet has changed to the new layout & has no my reply place to see whats going on It's hard for me to keep up with these post like this.

Pete,

Geez timekiller. I think you are nitpicking. The seam that doesnt go to the top is hand blown in a mold. The seam that goes all the way to the top and around is ABM (automatic bottle machine). The standard use date is TOC or about 1900-1905. Its very possible that some small glass manufacturers will not have converted to ABM and continued to blow glass by hand. Its commonly accepted that all glass manufacturers would be automated by 1915. Of course there are always exceptions to the rule as some companies in Mexico still blow glass the old fashioned way.

I feel that you are missing the point timekiller my friend. It appears you are on some kind of a rude mission to belittle me because I know you are smart enough to realize you cannot put an exact date on all ABM factory conversions.. Im sure if you take my comments out of context and look hard enough you will find some errors. The point is my ID is correct as it stands. Its a trade name "Delaware Brandy" that could have contained Brandy or Whiskey and the dateline is just as I said. Do you disagree with the ID or are you going to continue nitpicking?


Where is SBB when we need him? Look timekiller my friend. I am very good with 20th century items. You are very good with Colonial. I would never attempt to nitpick on one of your colonial IDs.

I know you dig a lot of Colonial Iron. We really need your help on another thread, not here. There was a poster that said pure iron does not rust and I would like to hear your opinion.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Maybe I can help you with your confusion. Whats the date on the bottle Pete? I cant see it.

Another thought, because of the new formatt, do you want me to check with you first before I make my next ID?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Originally Posted by Bigcypresshunter
Dont forget, if the mould seams fades before reaching the top, this bottle is 1890's. Im sure you are aware of this method of dating, timekiller

Absolutely not true,many bottles date after 1900's with seems that do not go to the top.I've dug many that are as old as 1905 that the seems don't go to the top.I'm going to post one in this post to show.
Also now that tnet has changed to the new layout & has no my reply place to see whats going on It's hard for me to keep up with these post like this.

But can see that many replies have been changed so I'm not going to get back in this to much.Other than to show you it does not have to be 1890's on the seems.I picked this bottle I found for you BCH,cause the bottom is marked with your letters just mixed a little.

To the poster got your PM & your welcome & don't let what I said about your bottle discourage you in bottle digging it's just that way sometimes even in MDing not all days are good ones.If you stay with it long enough your learn where to look & dig & Id your own bottles before it's over with.Your know what's worth keeping & what's common.
Take Care,
Best to ya,
Pete,

One more note. You are taking my words out of context and twisting the meaning. What I mean is that this bottle may date back to the 1890's with the correct seam and this seems now to be very likely with the 3 part mold. Also read carefully the 2 above posts. The possibility exists that this bottle is 1890's. My ID stands correct, no matter what you say, at 1890-1919, it can easily be a 100 year old bottle or older and it cannot possibly be manufactured on the prohibition dateline that you are stating, unless the bottle was refilled illegally. You can bang your head all you want, it wont change my ID.

Your welcome skite for the nice PM.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I didn't read every reply, but if I can see clearly focused (close up) pictures of ...

1. The closure (lip).

2. The underside bottom of the base.

3. The upper portion of the side mold seam.


I should be able to tell you approximately when it was made.


Thanks.


SBB

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

PS ~

If I am seeing the pictures correctly of the correct bottle - and it is sun-colored amethyst, then I can just about assure you it was made prior to 1915/1920. Manganese is what causes the coloring, and manganese was (for the most part) discontinued in bottle making around 1915-17.

Manganese Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manganese

SBB

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

PS ~

If I am seeing the pictures correctly of the correct bottle - and it is sun-colored amethist, then I can just about assure you it was made prior to 1915/1920. Manganese is what causes the coloring, and manganese was (for the most part) discontinued in bottle making around 1915-17.

Manganese Link: Manganese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SBB

Thanks for taking look. I have the dateline at 1890-1919. Prohibition was 1920. It appears to be a 3 part mould. I call it a "100 year old bottle" and I dont think my statement is out of line. To me its a simple ID but Im getting tired of typing lol and Im about ready to start beating my head. I dont know if its manganese glass. I cant tell. Its been under the porch.

I posted a manganese bottle to show the similarities.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

How old are 3 part moulds?