Anyone ever met a pure blooded Indian?

[(())RandY(())]

I did once when i was about 12 years old..I was camping in West Virginia at the time ...I was walking along a path near the river and i hear a voice say whats that you have all over your body ''Poison Ivy'' He replied .I said yes!! Well at the same time he was talking to me, he reached over and picked some poison Ivy Leaves..'''He said eat these leaves and you will never be allergic to Ivy again ...I told him Heck no ...And got scarred and ran back toward camp

Is that true what he said ,Eat poison Ivy and never get it again? I would think you would harm your insides!!

 

[CanUDigIt]

I have. My friend and his brothers were pure Blackfoot. It caused a lot of issues when he came to visit in my racist little town. They would throw rocks and spit at him. Shouldn't have surprized me though. They did it to my black friend too. I am now in a Lenni-Lenape area and occasionally, they have festivals. I love the culture and we'll be at the next outing they have.

 

[GL]

Absolutely I have met several full Indians. Navajo, Pueblo, and Cherokee. Some other undefined tribes I'm sure.
I lived in NM and Navajos are everywhere. Huge and barrel chested. I haven't met any mean ones but they do get rowdy and can be scary when they get out of sorts. Some do sound like they are mumbling sort of like Kicking Wing on Joe Dirt.
There are lots of Lumbee here in the Sandhills but they don't look like traditional Indians. They have curly hair, grey eyes and small noses and lips. 90% have either Locklear, Oxendine or Chavis for last names.
Lumbee tend to be militantly proud of their tribe.

I have always wanted to be an Indian.

 

[tulecanyon]

i can not answer your question, but it is a good one to start a fight where ever native americans gather.
during the indian wars, it was common for those who "came in" to the reservation system were greeted by a gruff immigrant/ex confederate troops who gave them names pronounceable in english, and declared their "blood quotient" defined by hue, stature,ability to speak english, ect.
many 'full blood' native became 1/16 or some other arbitrary fraction from the bigotry of the examiner. the miss classification of a people from the moment they entered the reservation system, combined with the forced resettlement of several tribes onto one reservation, led to hyphenated tribal affiliation.
here was yesterdays yard sale loot.
second photo taken at a friends back yard.

 

[tulecanyon]

"Is your friend within 100 miles of the Colorado River drainage?"

within the drainage. near canyon diablo.
sinagua cultural area.
most of the shards do not show weathering, except for some pitting from the volcanic ash.
the shards are buff, red, grey, black on white, and i did find a tiny shard that was yellow/amber, but that was an unusual piece
the stones are just that, cinders from the volcanic cones in the area.

 

[pegleglooker]

hey gang,
Last Saturday I was REAL lucky.... I was at a " gathering " for a dear friend that passed away and had he opportunity to talk to Katherine Siva Saubel.



She is the most respected elder of the Cahuilla band of Southern California Indians. It was Mrs. Saubel that recorded her native language and folktales, and then translated them to English. She wasn't happy when as a child she would speak Cahuillan and her friends would answer back in English. So she made it her job to record the ways and language of her grandfathers. Here's a link of her bio Born in 1920... She has seen and done a lot her lifetime ( and she is still here continuing educating people )

http://www.americanindian.ucr.edu/events/vitae.html



I asked for a meeting and was told yes...... To me, to be able to someone of this incredible quality is a treasure in itself.

PLL

 

[Billco]

How can you tell if one is a full blooded Indian, other than taking his word for it - which I imagine would be an educated guess at best?

I think an unquestionable, pure blooded Indian would be a rare thing, considering all the interrelations that commenced as soon as the Europeans arrived.

I think it would be easier to count the people in this country who don't claim Indian blood than those who do. At least in those places - like the south - where being Indian is cool nowadays.

 

[pegleglooker]

Hi Billco,
Believe me the people out on the rez know....

PLL

 

[tulecanyon]

Hi Billco,
Believe me the people out on the rez know....

PLL

yes they do.

 

[Billco]

How would they know? I mean how would they know that there wasn't another person of another race in their gene pool hundreds of years ago? And wouldn't we still be taking their word for it? My personal opinion is once you go back a few hundred years, you don't know who all of your relatives were/are.

The tribes on the reservations are descendents of cultures that probably considered distant native cultures or tribes as alien to them as the caucasions who came later. I don't think there would have been much reluctance to cohabit with somebody of the opposite sex who brought something useful or pleasant (maybe even both) to the union, regardless of race.

I don't *think* that Native Americans would have had any innate prejudice against Europeans. They probably accepted them to the extent that they did any other culture they had come across in the past - that is until they started getting shot at and enslaved. Even then, cohabitation was common.

 

[tulecanyon]

"How would they know?"

it is called oral history by anthropologists.

again, asking the question is akin to walking in some roadside bar in alabama and asking how many of you rednecks still have teeth.

 

[Billco]

again, asking the question is akin to walking in some roadside bar in alabama and asking how many of you rednecks still have teeth

I think it would be a safe bet that they'd all have some Cherokee blood too.

 

[tulecanyon]

 

[Monty]

If you haven't seen Indians, come to Oklahoma. Almost everyone I know has Indian blood to some degree and many, many of our citizens are full blood Indian. I am a quarter Cherokee myself. That's why Oklahoma's slogan is "Native America". No big woop to see Indians. Monty

 

[Felinepeachy]

I thought Oklahoma's slogan was, "Oklahoma is OK"

 

[warsawdaddy]

When I was in the USAF,at my first duty station,my first crew-chief I worked for was a full blood indian(Bull Glass).His wife was a princess in the tribe and a very pretty girl and a terrific cook.They were a great couple and great friends.This was at Smokey Hill AFB,Salina,Ks and yes,Monty,they were Cherokee from OK.

 

[pegleglooker]

hey gang,
It's safe to say, that if you walked into one of the " hollows " in WV and started asking about family tree's, EVERYONE would know who is married to whom anywhere they came from. The native community is even tighter. In the story of Katherine Saubel, she almost wasn't allowed to marry the guy of her choice because they were 7Th cousins. They know their lineage wayyyyyy back. But, I know what you are trying to say that there are no " pure " natives because of Spanish explorers... TRUE !! But then NOONE is " pure " anymore, because everyone has someone else in them IF you go back far enough...

PLL

 

[Monty]

Felinepeachy, that was the state motto about 30 years ago! LOL It was changed a long time ago thank goodness. It is still OK though. Monty

 

[stoney56]

Have actually met a # of them. Dad taught at an Indian boarding school for 16 yr. which had tribes from all over the nation till it closed down almost 30 years ago. We live within 30 mi. of 5 reservations.

 

[tompahpe]

Re: Anyone ever met a pu blooded Indian?

My daughter is Kanza, also known as Kaw. There's only about 2,500 on the tribal roll. Blood quantum isn't a measure or indicator of "Indian-ness"...she's no less & no more Kanza than the other members of her tribe.

BTW, "squaw" is a degrading term white men used for women of any native nation since setting foot on this continent, or shortly thereafter. It actually means slut.

Now thinking on this I must say I've NOT ever met a single native american 'slut'...sadly though I can't say the same about caucasion women...not being racist, I'm white myself!

 

[stoney56]

Exactly Tompahpe. The Kanza (Kaw) are doing quite well for themselves. They're one of the one's I was referring to as to the reservations. My brother works for them in the Security Dept at the Bingo Hall.