Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

[fireman4youu]

Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

Have no clue what "Well Gate" means, looks like someone hammer stamped it in.
Or what the coin itself is?
Thanks
Z

 

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Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I got 7 grams, let me shrink pic and ill show ya

Your 7 grams is only 108 grains and even with accounting for weight loss with the hole, it is no doubt a lightweight coin, Cru's copper of 9.97 grams is over 153 grains, which is right where a Regal KGIII Halfpenny should be. Usually anything under 130 or grains is suspicious just by weight alone. But usually a counterfeit can be determined visually right away. By far the vast majority of KGIII Halfpence found in America are counterfeits, finding a regal is not the norm.

Awesome thanks for the info!

Yes, Don has a much better way of saying things than me. You seemed a little disappointed about it being a counterfiet which actually it makes it more interesting (to me) than the real deal & bearing in mind they were contemporary to the Regal issue it's good history. Then add the counterstamp & you have a real great find. (even if, as IP speculates it's 150 years later, because that could happen)

 

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[Iron Patch]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I got 7 grams, let me shrink pic and ill show ya

Your 7 grams is only 108 grains and even with accounting for weight loss with the hole, it is no doubt a lightweight coin, Cru's copper of 9.97 grams is over 153 grains, which is right where a Regal KGIII Halfpenny should be. Usually anything under 130 or grains is suspicious just by weight alone. But usually a counterfeit can be determined visually right away. By far the vast majority of KGIII Halfpence found in America are counterfeits, finding a regal is not the norm.

Awesome thanks for the info!

Yes, Don has a much better way of saying things than me. You seemed a little disappointed about it being a counterfiet which actually it makes it more interesting (to me) than the real deal & bearing in mind they were contemporary to the Regal issue it's good history. Then add the counterstamp & you have a real great find. (even if, as IP speculates it's 150 years later, because that could happen)

Or it was a person of some wealth and a halfpenny didn't mean much to them even in 1774. I wonder if there was laws for destroying or defacing a coin then... and did people like merchants need permission from the government to stamp a coin? I have "Merchant and Privately Countermarked Coins" by Brunk, but have never read the opening with the history, if there is one.... so might have to check it out.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

Is there a Will Gate listing? If so, I have the book so can look it up tomorrow.

There are several Gates listings but no listing for Will Gate or W. Gate. I am not at my computer and I dont have the Brunks link today but I looked the other day.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

Here is the link. http://www.exonumia.com/art/cmb.htm Actually there is no listing for GATE. There are about 10 GATES listings but no WILL. If its a countermark, its an unknown one.

 

[fireman4youu]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

is this one similar..?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/King-George...02?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item43ac3f56ea

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

Similar but not the same. Most tend to be relatively close. The common counterfeits like typical common coins don't bring much, but the really special ones can get $1,000+

 

[fireman4youu]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

gotcha.. thanks for sharing..

HH
Zach