Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

[fireman4youu]

Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

Have no clue what "Well Gate" means, looks like someone hammer stamped it in.
Or what the coin itself is?
Thanks
Z

 

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[GpSnoopy]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

Wells were often fenced off to keep people, children, animals, or livestock out. If you had a property with many gates, then it may make sense to say which one, but you are right, why not just say Well. Unless they had a gate to the well, and then a door to a well house or pump room also.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

Bill Gates? My first thought was WILL GATE (William Gate) and the first A was a mistake.

 

[pumice]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

Now there is good 'tecton mystery......

 

[fireman4youu]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

Awesome conversation pieces to say the least. All great ideas and thought. Thanks to everyone....

HH
Zach

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I'm surprised no one said it was a counterfeit halfpenny prior to being holed & couterstamped.

 

[fireman4youu]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I'm surprised no one said it was a counterfeit halfpenny prior to being holed & couterstamped.

do tell what ya know, im interested?

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I'm surprised no one said it was a counterfeit halfpenny prior to being holed & couterstamped.

do tell what ya know, im interested?

What more can I add, its very likely a counterfeit halfpenny (either produced here, maybe over there), & not a Regal issue.

 

[fireman4youu]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I'm surprised no one said it was a counterfeit halfpenny prior to being holed & couterstamped.

do tell what ya know, im interested?

What more can I add, its very likely a counterfeit halfpenny (either produced here, maybe over there), & not a Regal issue.

do u have a weight, on what there suppose to be? looks pretty real to me, but i understand, and respect your idea.

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I'm surprised no one said it was a counterfeit halfpenny prior to being holed & couterstamped.

do tell what ya know, im interested?

What more can I add, its very likely a counterfeit halfpenny (either produced here, maybe over there), & not a Regal issue.

do u have a weight, on what there suppose to be? looks pretty real to me, but i understand, and respect your idea.

No idea on offical weight but just weighed my 1770 Regal at 9.97g

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I'm surprised no one said it was a counterfeit halfpenny prior to being holed & couterstamped.

do tell what ya know, im interested?

What more can I add, its very likely a counterfeit halfpenny (either produced here, maybe over there), & not a Regal issue.

do u have a weight, on what there suppose to be? looks pretty real to me, but i understand, and respect your idea.

Well it was real in the sense that it passed as a halfpenny, but is not a genuine issue. Just look at the VS in Georgivs... not in line.

 

[Don in SJ]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I'm surprised no one said it was a counterfeit halfpenny prior to being holed & couterstamped.

Actually if it would have been a Regal Halfpenny of George III, than I would have made note of such a "rarity" in this country.

 

[fireman4youu]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I got 7 grams, let me shrink pic and ill show ya




**no big deal, its mine, and i enjoy it**

 

[Don in SJ]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I got 7 grams, let me shrink pic and ill show ya

Your 7 grams is only 108 grains and even with accounting for weight loss with the hole, it is no doubt a lightweight coin, Cru's copper of 9.97 grams is over 153 grains, which is right where a Regal KGIII Halfpenny should be. Usually anything under 130 or grains is suspicious just by weight alone. But usually a counterfeit can be determined visually right away. By far the vast majority of KGIII Halfpence found in America are counterfeits, finding a regal is not the norm.

 

[fireman4youu]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I got 7 grams, let me shrink pic and ill show ya

Your 7 grams is only 108 grains and even with accounting for weight loss with the hole, it is no doubt a lightweight coin, Cru's copper of 9.97 grams is over 153 grains, which is right where a Regal KGIII Halfpenny should be. Usually anything under 130 or grains is suspicious just by weight alone. But usually a counterfeit can be determined visually right away. By far the vast majority of KGIII Halfpence found in America are counterfeits, finding a regal is not the norm.

Awesome thanks for the info!

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

It only takes one deal breaker... and the "S" on the slant is just that. It automatically eliminates a regal issue unless the coin is multiply struck.

 

[High Plains Digger]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I am not arguing about the "counterfeitcy" of the coin, but I wonder what the advantage of pocketing a couple of grains of copper by faking a coin? The advantages seem to be vastly outweighed by the down side: The King's firing squad or a prison ship on the Thames. I have several coppers directly from England that seem to be faked (upside down 17 and a few other things) and just can't understand the economics. Enlighten me. Thanks.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I am not arguing about the "counterfeitcy" of the coin, but I wonder what the advantage of pocketing a couple of grains of copper by faking a coin? The advantages seem to be vastly outweighed by the down side: The King's firing squad or a prison ship on the Thames. I have several coppers directly from England that seem to be faked (upside down 17 and a few other things) and just can't understand the economics. Enlighten me. Thanks.

I don't really have any specifics, but I bet it wouldn't be far off counterfeiting $20s or $50s today. There was obviously some benefit because it was done a lot, but because of the serious penalties involved they begin to change the coins slightly to evade... and these coins are referred to today as evasions. (Evasion halfpenny)

There's a fairly small but very serious collecting base for British and American counterfeit halfpennies and farthings and some are quite rare and valuable.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

By the way.... if you have a halfpenny with an upside down 17 you have something there, it's just a question of how good.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I am not arguing about the "counterfeitcy" of the coin, but I wonder what the advantage of pocketing a couple of grains of copper by faking a coin? The advantages seem to be vastly outweighed by the down side: The King's firing squad or a prison ship on the Thames. I have several coppers directly from England that seem to be faked (upside down 17 and a few other things) and just can't understand the economics. Enlighten me. Thanks.

Its hard to visualize the days before runaway inflation when a penny was actually worth carrying or even a half penny could actually buy something. It may compare to a $20 or $50 today as said. For this reason I question using a $50 piece for a simple key fob. "Occam's Razor"? Would you use even a dollar coin for a key fob? It may even have been illegal. I think it may be an unknown countermark. (WILL GATE) Check Brunks site.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Anyone want to give this one a shot? 1774 "Well Gate" ..?

I am not arguing about the "counterfeitcy" of the coin, but I wonder what the advantage of pocketing a couple of grains of copper by faking a coin? The advantages seem to be vastly outweighed by the down side: The King's firing squad or a prison ship on the Thames. I have several coppers directly from England that seem to be faked (upside down 17 and a few other things) and just can't understand the economics. Enlighten me. Thanks.

Its hard to visualize the days before runaway inflation when a penny was actually worth carrying or even a half penny could actually buy something. It may compare to a $20 or $50 today as said. For this reason I question using a $50 piece for a simple key fob. "Occam's Razor"? Would you use even a dollar coin for a key fob? It may even have been illegal. I think it may be an unknown countermark. (WILL GATE) Check Brunks site.

Simple answer... it could have been made into the key fob when the coin was 150 years old.

Is there a Will Gate listing? If so, I have the book so can look it up tomorrow.